Forgive me father, for I have sinned.

[fishweewee]

Originally Posted by Eben

when i am old and ready to hang up the rods, then i will share my secrets...

Hey you old infirm geezer - I'm all ears.

[reelecstasy]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Hopefully we'll be hearing that drag sing again tonight

Where ?

I for one, love seeing pics of large, I am happy for them because i know how great it feels and most of the time how hard they had to work to find them...

[The Dad Fisherman]

I like seeing the Pics of large also..... Keeps the juices flowin. I never look at a pic and say anything but Wow, Nice fish. Its nice to see people doing well out there.

[eelman]

Since this has all turned into a lovefest, I think that cnalman and dave should invite me along tonight

Just kiddin guys good luck guys

[Canalman]

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[Homerun04]

Chances are this was really just about a seagull on his favorite rock he had to scare away with a funky dance move. The part about him catching fish was a dead give away

Classic....just classic.....I can see Eben right now wiggling those hips to "Staying Alive".......

[SBASS1]

"When I caught my 50 I opened my big mouth and he still holds it against me that the spot has become so heavily fished, I regret it all the time."

AS IF HE SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THE SUBJECT!!!

[Notaro]

I like to see people with some pictures of their catches and their stories, but nothing specific. I find it amusing to hear about their adventures. Besides, those cow pictures keep me going.

[partsjay]

I agree....I love to look at pics as well...and I will admit getting jealous of seeing people catching nice fish when I am not.....however..it's that same feeling that makes me want one even more, makes me try harder, fish harder and longer.....I fish alone 99% of the time...not because I want to, but because it's hard for me to find guys to fish with sometimes...but that wont stop me from going out there everytime I can to get me my own cow...it will happen...and it will feel that much better when it does...

It's too bad that a few guys will ruin it for everyone else.....I love to look at large!!

[Adamfishes]

I saw a post on another site that asked if there was any action in the North river or is it over for the season. Pretty funny!

[ThrowingTimber]

Until the day I die, my goal is to stay alive. Survival of the fit, only the strong survive.

Well said #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

[Squibby17]

I'm also happy to see other peoples fish. As you can see by my number of posts I'm not exactly a seasoned vetern here. I would be lying if I said I joined this site simply for info. I like the interaction of "fish talk" and not revealing spots and posting your catchs is one of the main reasons this site exists.

If I'm fishing with a friend and we both hook up at the same time. I honestly hope that his fish is bigger than mine. This may be due to the fact that I don't catch "cows" often, so big fish are all good to me even if its not on my line. (like when my sister caught a 38 inch bass last year and I caught blue fish and sea robins)

[Pete F.]

I live for fishing and when you are 200 miles from the ocean sometimes fishporn is all ya get.

[piemma]

Good thing it wasn't some of the old timers. We would have pushed them into the water.

[eelman]

I knew many of the "old timers" they wouldent have pushed anyone in the water, in fact..Gill G, jack sunday, tony bucci,bob ward, all those guys taught me alot they were never rude........

[hooked]

That was a pretty funny story. I don’t feel bad for them, though. 5-6 hours of catching bloos beats my day yesterday by a long shot.

Keep the pictures coming.

[RIROCKHOUND]

There is something to be said about not making any conversation on the rocks and out of habit I stay off a spot if there are people there, especially Newbies and or chunkers, nothing against either, but regardless our fishing styles probably arent going to jive, so I keep away as much as possible;
on the rocks I am far from a surf sharpie; I do pretty well from a boat and hit it hard and do OK from the surf, but I love being out there on the rocks of sand at night..... I enjoy the solitude, the quiet; there are a handfull of guys I fish with, some more than others, it is always fun, but rarely do we stand shoulder to shoulder fishing, you chat on the walk in and the walk out; the rest of the night, go fish...
My habit is to walk by people I dont know, does it make me rude? maybe no news is bad news or vise versa, but I'll stick to my stealth mode

who knows, you may inadvertanly piss someone off, then the come on here and you realize it was someone who had posted for years, or 10min later they realize they'd been had and tires are popped etc.. there are alot of wack jobs out there...

E; you did better then us; ask BIJ about the adventure too bad... they were there... just didnt get the drift figured out in time....

[Nebe]

Here are a few of Jamie Ms spots.... he wants to share, so everyone should fish there

This really is not necessary. I remember when you originally came aboard, your lips were very looooooossseeee, As were most if not all of us - at first. - JohnR

[The Dad Fisherman]

Eben, Awesome Thanx.....Much Appreciated


Being from the Lowell area I have many a friend that likes to Fish. I'll see if I can get a big group together for the trip. Jamie M What kind of beer do you drink? I want to make sure we bring enough. Are those places Kid friendly...I got a mess of neices and nephews that will probably be coming.

[Nebe]

[fishaholic18]

C'mon guys, go easy.....Pretty funny though...
Now let's go get some large and post pix tomorrow!!!

[In The Surf]

I don't mean to knock the guy and obviously I don't know how serious he is about the sport or the amount of time he puts in but when you've been a member of a fishing board since January of '01 I don't think your considered a newbie. I know Googan is what would come to the minds of many but again I don't know, there may be circumstances that affect some and their outcome. I'm by no means a sharpie, in fact far from it. I would consider myself a hungry as defined by one of Joe's articles (Googans Vs. Sharpies). I started to get into this seriously about a year and half ago. Fortunate for me I had over 30 plus years of freshwater fishing knowledge and principles to apply. There was still a learning curve but like many I read some of the right books, watch some fishing shows or videos and asked questions from those I know had the answers and were willing to divulge what most consider secret, treasured and valuable info. But most of all I put in the time, that more than anything is what will make you successful and take you through the steps of googan, hungry and sharpie. Time and experience will be your best teachers. It's amazing how much you can learn just by watching those who are successful, though most will happen under the cloak of darkness you'll still see plenty in the evening and false dawn till just after sunrise. Aside from this I'd recommend stopping in the local B&T, tell them what your after, ask where to go and what to use, and make a purchase. That being said I need to get out more, haven't been putting in enough time this year.

[Slipknot]

I don't know what's going on here but knock it off.

I am locking this and if John or the others want to open it up, then fine. but there is no need to pile on any members here.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I don't know what's going on here but knock it off.

I am locking this and if John or the others want to open it up, then fine. but there is no need to pile on any members here.

I agree... This is a classic example of why Internet threads spiral. And a Posse thread in the making so we'll squash that...

I know Eben a little and he would share, to an extent with people more publicly but eventually seated himself to sharing more privately. So he does share. As for his story while I probably would not have done the same thing, I most likely would not have coached someone along.

In a somewhat similar situation years ago, Bill and I showed up at one of the long since overrun by reports places in Charleston where a fella just of legal drinking age was trying to impress his friend and his gal in the finer points of fishing. This "gent" chose to dress himself up in the "River Runs Thruough It" fashion so common at the time (he maybe even had suspenders on - can't remember). So this "gent", we'll call him Stu, had taken this spot over with the long wand - which would shut out every and anyone else from using it - then 5-10 people a night, now up to 25 - said he had been there all day, including a little while during the precious falling tide. He declared when Bill and I walked up that we would not catch a fish and it was not worth trying. He had such great confidence in his ability that he KNEW there were no fish.

On Bill's first cast he had a high 20#er and in my first cast I had a lowe 20#er, "Yep, no fish here"... "Stu" and his freinds left.

Well next year, "Stu" was someone we would se more often and "Stu" would eventually wiggle his way into fishing with several of us fairly frequently, I fished with him a couple times but I never really trusted the guy. He fished with Steve and Bill and Joe, among others, learing a lot of the good info, the wheres certainly, but the important whens too. He learned where to tresspass and soaked up all of this info. Sucked the knowledge tree as dry as he could in such a short time.

Then "Stu" started shore guiding people in to these places, every hole he was shown that produced he would charge people and take them in there and even occasionally catch a fish. And boasting and boasting about fish caught at spot after spot, to further drum up guide biz.... Well, that failed and his dad stopped paying his fishing "tuition" and he had to go back to Jersey.

"Stu" is a fine example of going the otherway and "giving" away everything to someone. If much of the knowledge necessary to being successful on the water is not EARNED, it will not be RESPECTED. And I mean respected not necessairly by others but by the person that wields the stick and did the learning.

So information, including "spots", are best given out in smaller bits and pieces from time to time, enough to steer someone in the right direction. Not all the info all the time.

Now what should Eben have done? Tell 3 or 4 guys standing in a spot that prevents him from fishing to tell them to wait 90 minutes until the tide floods and when the spot typically heats up? I've gone to places and seen people bang away all day to no avail and I hit them just as the people leave. I'm also sure I've "chummed" up a spot for someone as well.

These people may have been hacks - if that is what I saw I might have said something similar too, but not kept the mackeral (unless really fresh ).

If it had been a guy taking his son or daughter fishing, yeh I would have probably steered them right. If it looked like someone genuinely trying to make things working I might offer a tip or two, but if it is a bunch of hacks? Loudmouths? People drinkin' and fishin' - No way no how, I'd seriously consider lying thru my


We'll keep this thread open a liitle longer as long as it does not turn into:

A) A pissing contest
or
B) A pig pile

[Nebe]

Good post john.. your right i used to share more on these boards publicly, but the problem is that i would rather share with one or 2 people than to broadcast it to the whole world.

Just to clarrify my story, i get down there and these guys had 4 flats of mackeral that were uncut- who knows how much they had already cut up and tossed. They had a 12 pack of budwieser and more thanhalf was empty.

Nothing burns me up when i get down to some of the spots in gansett only to see trash left from fishermen.. im not pointing fingers, but most if not all trash is left by bait fishermen.... to me, they are the enemy. because of them, they get spots closed down. .. okay back to the story. I talked to them for a few minutes to see how they were doing and these guys had no respect for the ocean.. every bluefish they reeled in they punted back, or threw in a tidal pool to die they even told me that any bass they caught under 34 inches was going back too, which only told me that they had connections to commercial sales.... Not cool IMO.. After sizing them up for a while, i made the decsion to go jedi on them and tell them that the bass werent around..

IF these guys looked to me like the real deal, i would have sung like a song bird.. but they were meat hunting, and i chose to do way with them.. As for people attacking me for doing this, i guarrantee you would have done the same thing if this was going down in one of your favorite spots...

you can call it paranoia, but i would rather call it protecting valuable information from those who i dont know.

[Raven]

funny.....

i want wanted posters of eben to post everywhere.... dr evil ... rich

["uffah!!"]

Eben, I agree with you, now that you explained what they were like. BUT, I also think you should have said it that way in the beginning. OR, were you just trying to get a reaction from someone?
I am basically a BAIT Fisherman. I use Bait because I really don't know how to make a lure do what it is supposed to do. I never had anyone to teach me.

[basswipe]

I know one thing:I'm tired of picking up beer cans,plastic bottles and bait boxes/bags when there are a dozen garbage cans that it could be thrown in on the way out.Where the crowds go the garbage soon follows.Its people of all types including fisherman,partiers etc.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by basswipe

I know one thing:I'm tired of picking up beer cans,plastic bottles and bait boxes/bags when there are a dozen garbage cans that it could be thrown in on the way out.Where the crowds go the garbage soon follows.Its people of all types including fisherman,partiers etc.

That's why I like to fish spots where no man has gone before, and never will, If I can help it!!!

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Eben

Just to clarrify my story, i get down there and these guys had 4 flats of mackeral that were uncut- who knows how much they had already cut up and tossed. They had a 12 pack of budwieser and more thanhalf was empty.

Nothing burns me up when i get down to some of the spots in gansett only to see trash left from fishermen.. im not pointing fingers, but most if not all trash is left by bait fishermen.... to me, they are the enemy. because of them, they get spots closed down. .. okay back to the story. I talked to them for a few minutes to see how they were doing and these guys had no respect for the ocean.. every bluefish they reeled in they punted back, or threw in a tidal pool to die they even told me that any bass they caught under 34 inches was going back too, which only told me that they had connections to commercial sales.... Not cool IMO.. After sizing them up for a while, i made the decsion to go jedi on them and tell them that the bass werent around..

I could pretty much tell that from the get-go. The fact that they so willingly gave you 4 flats of macks tells me they weren't about to take that bait home, bag it, and freeze it for future use. At best, they would have tossed the rest of it in and left the stinking cardboard on the rocks. Chances are, the macks would have been left there to rot, or else tossed in some brush.

I'll help out anyone who looks like they have respect for the sport, and who looks like he or she wants to make an effort to learn. I won't lift a finger for someone I peg as a lazy slob who's looking for instant success without doing a little work on his own. I also actively discourage people who are going to jeopardize my continued access. There is nothing morally wrong with running a snow job on people who don't belong there in the first place, and whose continued presence at a spot is going to result in your being denied precious access.

On the other hand, I've always lived by the rule that the guy who gets there first has the right to fish a spot the way he wants. If I want to drag bottom with a bucktail, or drift a plug or an eel in an outflow, and there's a guy there with a 10 wt fly rod doing his thing, I either fish around him or go somewhere else. While I hate to generalize, the guy with the fly rod probably shares the same ethic I do with respect to leaving a place as he found it and being circumspect about access issues. Here on the South Shore, there's a guy named Anthony who I know slightly, who likes to fish a certain bridge shadow line with his fly rod. He's pretty much a fly purist now. Times when a few regulars have arrived with their surf gear, Anthony has no problem adjusting to the flow to let everyone fish, and we do the same for him. Mutual respect goes a long way, but it's something sadly lacking in most of the slobs out there.


Now, if the chap with the long wand doesn't want to play ball and let me fish the place too, that's a whole different kettle of fish---I've never seen a 10 wt yet that could win a tug of war with a 9-1/2' Fisher and a conventional spooled with 50# braid