They Think It Can't Happen Here Again!!!! - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Homerun04 · 07-09-2005, 08:49 AM

Prudence and common sense dictate that it will happen here again, as well as tells us that most difinately there are terrorist cells already here in the US. As long as we have an open border, there will be no way of preventing this from happening here again.

We (USA) is holding on to a vision of the kind of country we want to be (e.g. open borders, freedom for all), but the terrorists are making that vision unrealistic. As long as there is an organized terrorists threat against the USA we will need to alter our vision of who we are as a country. Once the organized threat is eliminated, then we can go back to being the "open border" and "freedom for all" kind of country we want to be.

During war time things change. Eminent domain, for example. Did you know that during war time the US Government (Millitary) has the right to take any personal property they need, as well as mandate any company in the US to stop doing what they are doing and begin manufacturing goods for the US Military? Where are all the ACLU people complaining about that? It happened extensively during WWII.

The differnce is in the US and UK our defense contractors are actually private firms. I can share stories with you about the US Gov't funnelling money to these firms during peace times in an effort to make sure they stay viable for war time. Ever heard of phantom projects? But the Governemtn doesn't have top only rely on these firms -- they can force ANY company to begin production on behalf of the US Military.

My point is simply that during war time, the rules change. Can it happen here again? Not only can it, but there is NO WAY IT CAN'T. I am surprised we haven't had a number of "copycat" bombings by some of our "native-grown" lunatics already -- and I am NOT referring to Native Americans. The ginie is out of the bottle forever..........

BigFish · 07-09-2005, 09:07 AM

I am retracting this thread....you can all take your ball and leave my sand box now!

beachwalker · 07-09-2005, 10:01 AM

Nebe · 07-09-2005, 11:27 AM

Repeat after me...."america can not solve all the problems in this world"

we should focus on our own problems. like improving our roads and bridges, bettering our schools, and heaven forbid we clean up our enviromental messes.

Homerun04 · 07-09-2005, 12:18 PM

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we should focus on our own problems

Huh? You mean that terrorists killing us isn't our problem....?? Why worry about the roads if we are all going to be dead if we don't address the immediate threat to our country first?

beachwalker · 07-09-2005, 12:21 PM

you're absolutely right HR.

guerrila warfare. we, and others, can never let our guard down anymore.

everytime we do ?

beachwalker · 07-09-2005, 12:25 PM

spence · 07-09-2005, 12:37 PM

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Huh? You mean that terrorists killing us isn't our problem....?? Why worry about the roads if we are all going to be dead if we don't address the immediate threat to our country first?

You can make a pretty good argument that a host of domestic issues kill far more Americans every year than terrorisim ever will. Doesn't mean terror doesn't need to be addressed, but our Nation's priorities are certianly out of whack in many ways. You've said as much yourself.

-spence

Mike P · 07-09-2005, 12:49 PM

You can mark this down and take it to the bank:

Before the year 2015, a nuclear device is going to be detonated somewhere in an urban area of the US, killing at minimum half a million people, either immediately or due to the after effects. I flat-out guarantee it. Sure as the sunrise.

It's inevitable. And I don't pretend to be smart enough to know how to prevent it.

The aftermath of that ain't gonna be pretty. For anyone.

Homerun04 · 07-09-2005, 01:02 PM

Yes, Spence, I agree. There are many things our country should have been addressing all these years. Trust me, I am no great cheerleader of any country that is as wealthy as our's but still wont address hunger, healtcare, poverty, global warming, etc. right here in our own country. I'd be interested in your list of domestic issues that

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kill far more Americans every year than terrorisim ever will.

But given our limited resources don't you think that our first priority should be staying alive another day so that we can eventually address all our domestic issues someday? Doesn't our survival come first?

I guess what it comes down to is that some people in this thread actually do believe the US is at war right now, while some others don't believe we are in a war. My feeling is those who do not think we are in a war right now are playing into the hands of the terrorirsits. I believe that the radicals in the Middle East PURPOSEFULLY did not use a country to attack the USA but rather used a group of non-nationals (i.e. read terrorists) to attack us. They know that when in a "traditional" war when one country fights another country - no one will ever beat the USA. So they changed the rules on us. And I do beleive the terrorists are government sponsored. These people may be evil, but they are not dumb.

But make no mistake about it -- we ARE in a war right now. And yes, we can argue all day along about where our resources should go in order to make for a better and safer USA. All of them need to be addressed. Just in what order?

likwid · 07-11-2005, 08:26 AM

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Huh? You mean that terrorists killing us isn't our problem....?? Why worry about the roads if we are all going to be dead if we don't address the immediate threat to our country first?

On average 43,000 people die in car accidents each year.
17,000 of those are drunk driving related.

Statistically, thats a bit more "immediate" than terrorism.

And also statistically, drunk drivers are more dangerous *in the US* than a terrorist.

More people in the US *alone* die because of drunk drivers than of terrorism *worldwide*.