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Old 07-13-2005, 08:56 PM   #1
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Oooo....oooo......can I have some popcorn to...??

I love it when Dems and GOPs start yelling at each other and blaming each other.....great theater.....it's like the Hatfields and McCoys.....neither side is bright enough to see that both sides are "slime".

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Old 07-13-2005, 09:14 PM   #2
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Old 07-13-2005, 09:15 PM   #3
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Oooo....oooo......can I have some popcorn to...??

I love it when Dems and GOPs start yelling at each other and blaming each other.....great theater.....it's like the Hatfields and McCoys.....neither side is bright enough to see that both sides are "slime".
Thay all suck.

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Old 07-13-2005, 10:28 PM   #4
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I'm not saying that the guy shouldn't resign his position or that what he did was right. I was merely stating that there wasn't much they could pin on him.
Believe me, I'm not to effin pleased with a lot that G.W. has done. I just don't think that this is one of those situations that he be criticized over.

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Old 07-15-2005, 10:29 AM   #5
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Thay all suck.

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Does Bassmaster count as a major national figure? he seems pretty apolitical.

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Old 07-15-2005, 02:08 PM   #7
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Palast part 2 for the day.

MR. ROVE AND THE ACCESS OF EVIL
Tell us your "source," Judy
Not published in The New York Times
Tuesday, July 12, 2005

By Greg Palast

The only thing more evil, small-minded and treasonous than the Bush Administration's jailing Judith Miller for a crime the Bush Administration committed, is Judith Miller covering up her Bush Administration "source."

Judy, Karl Rove ain't no "source." A confidential source -- and I've worked with many -- is an insider ready to put himself on the line to blow the whistle on an official lie or hidden danger. I would protect a source's name with my life and fortune as would any journalist who's not a craven jerk (the Managing Editor of Time Magazine comes to mind).

But the weasel who whispered "Valerie Plame" in Miller's ear was no source. Whether it was Karl Rove or some other Rove-tron inside the Bush regime (and no one outside Bush's band would have had this information), this was an official using his official info to commit a crime for the sole purpose of punishing a real whistleblower, Joseph Wilson, Plame's husband, for questioning our President's mythological premise for war in Iraq.

New York Times reporter Miller and her paper would rather she go to prison for four months than identify their "source." Why?

Part of her oddball defense is that The Times never ran the story about Wilson's wife. They get no points for that. The Times should have run the story with the headline: BUSH OPERATIVE COMMITS FELONY TO PUNISH WHISTLEBLOWER. The lead paragraph should have been, "Today, Mr. K--- R--- [or other slime ball as appropriate] attempted to plant sensitive intelligence information on The New York Times, a felony offense, in an attempt to harm former Ambassador Joseph Wilson who challenged the President's claim regarding Iraq's nuclear program."

A Karl Rove or Rove-like creature peddling a back-door smear doesn't make him a source. Miller's real crime is not concealing a source, but burying the story. A reporter should never, ever give notes to a grand jury, but this information is something The Times owes the public, not the prosecutors.

Why didn't The Times run this story? Why not now? Who are they covering for and why?

Maybe the problem for The Times is that this is the same "source" that used Miller to promote, as fact, her ersatz report before the invasion of Iraq that Saddam truly had nukes and bugs and chemicals he could launch at Los Angeles. That "source" too needs publication, Judy.

Every rule has an exception. My mama always told me to compliment the chef at dinner. But that doesn't apply when the chef pees in your soup. Likewise, there's an exception to the rule of source protection. When officialdom uses "you-can't-use-my- name" to cover a lie, the official is not a source, but a disinformation propagandist -- and Miller and The Times have been all too willing to play Izvestia to the Bush's Kremlinesque prevarications.

And that is what Miller is protecting: the evil called "access."

The great poison in the corpus of American journalism is the lust for tidbits of supposedly "inside" information which is more often than not inside misinformation parading as hot news.

And thus we have Miller s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on the steaming sewage pipe of White House lies about Iraq and spitting it out in the pages of The Times as "investigative reporting," for which The Times has apologized. Likewise, we had the embarrassment of Bob Woodward's special access to the Oval Office after the September 11 attacks when Woodward reported the exclusive news that the President was a flawless commander in chief in the war on terror -- for which Woodward has yet to apologize.

While reporting from the Potemkin village of decision-making set up for him at the White House, Woodward missed the real story that, in the words of the Downing Street memo, our leaders were losing track of Osama while they spent their time "fixing the intelligence" on Iraq. Even if Woodward learned of it, would he have reported it at the risk of losing his access to evil?

As Karl Rove chuckles and Judy does time, we are left to ask, What are Miller and The New York Times doing: protecting the name of a source or covering up their conduit to the Bush gang's machinery of deception?

One can only be sympathetic to Miller for choosing jail over bending to the power of the State. But as T.S. Eliot said,

"The last temptation is the greatest treason,
To do the right deed for the wrong reason."

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Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. Subscribe to his commentaries or view his investigative reports for BBC Television at www.GregPalast.com

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Old 07-15-2005, 02:40 PM   #8
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"You should hear what the Dem called your mother, Mr. GOP....."
"Mr. GOP, the Dem said your Momma wears Army boots...."

Fuse lite......let's see the fireworks boys....no fence riders.....blast 'em...let 'em have it.....

All Dems are stupid...
All GOPs are stupid...

Good old fashion schoolyard brawl in Congress....that's what we need, the GOP is on to something by getting Jessie "The Body" Ventura and Arnold "The Terminator" Schwezenagger elected.....I predict a Texas cage death-match coming soon.........may the best party win...........

Let's get GW's daddy to punch Billery Clinton in the nose.....then we can get Al Gore to pee on #^&#^&#^&#^& Chaney's leg.....yeah....

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Old 07-15-2005, 03:18 PM   #9
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Yup, Homerun can't take the fight...libber libber libber libber...



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