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Old 07-19-2005, 10:48 AM   #1
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National Seashore or rows of private property/million dollar homes.

pick one.

JFK GAVE you access, if it wasn't for him there'd be no PUBLIC beaches.
Once again you have distorted what I or many others post. I did not say I had a problem with JFK. I merely stated that he set aside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Perhaps you should give reading a try before you put pen to paper. oke:

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Old 07-19-2005, 11:28 AM   #2
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I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset.... lot of mixed feelings on the seashore... I'd like the 35 miles back, that we used to be able to access by buggy... even if it was like certain other areas.. 7PM till 7AM, lot of nice structure no one will ever get to anymore.

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Old 07-19-2005, 11:38 AM   #3
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OT: Speaking of Kennedy, TODAY is the 36th anniversary of the night Teddy left Mary Joe to DIE on chappy. I think tonight I may pay the old bridge a visit and make a cast or two.



everything you want to know about the event....(with photos)
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Old 09-28-2005, 01:12 PM   #4
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I believe Ted left Mary Jo on July18, 1969
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:40 AM   #5
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I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset....
Westport and South Dartmouth.

Nuff said.

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Old 07-21-2005, 09:54 AM   #6
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I dunno likwid, I think you'd probably see more access, as the other towns would see the cash cow that Orleans has with Nauset.... lot of mixed feelings on the seashore... I'd like the 35 miles back, that we used to be able to access by buggy... even if it was like certain other areas.. 7PM till 7AM, lot of nice structure no one will ever get to anymore.

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You can get to that structure - by boat.

now I gotta get me a boat!!!

Keep lines wet and tight in the pacific
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Old 07-21-2005, 10:17 AM   #7
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Here it is.....just put a couple of rod holders.....perfect.

You would look cool too.....
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Old 09-28-2005, 08:37 AM   #8
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September 28, 2005

Court ruling: Orleans property not buildable
By JASON KOLNOS
STAFF WRITER
The Appeals Court of Massachusetts has ruled in an Orleans case that some so-called ''grandfathered'' rights that seem to exempt undeveloped properties from minimum zoning requirements no longer offer that protection.

The landmark decision handed down by the state's highest appeals court Monday could affect hundreds of people who want to build homes on undersized lots.

In April, the court heard the case of Stuart Rothman, an Orleans property owner who has been involved in a three-year dispute with neighbors over a plan to build a single family home on his Priscilla Road parcel the town says is way too small.

His Nauset Heights neighbors, who sued Rothman, feared the extra wastewater would contaminate local waters, and that more homes would clog traffic and cause congestion in the neighborhood.

Rothman's 8,000-square-foot lot - not much bigger than a tennis court - is overgrown with vegetation and offers a slight harbor view along the bumpy, unpaved road. The undeveloped parcel is one-fifth the size of the minimum of one acre needed to currently build in Orleans.

Rothman has said he purchased the property for $300,000 in 2001 because he thought the land was protected under an exemption in a 1954 town zoning bylaw.

After a legal ping-pong match among town building officials, the local zoning board of appeals and the state's Land Court, the state Appeals Court finally heard the suit.

The court tried to determine whether state laws allow a lot that was once buildable to remain ''buildable'' even after the exemption had been repealed. Orleans axed the 1954 provision - which allowed one building on any existing lot at least 5,000 square feet - when it amended bylaws in 1971.

Rothman and his attorney, Duane Landreth, had argued that the earlier ''grandfathering'' should apply to his property even though the exact exemption does not exist in the bylaws today.

The appeals court disagreed with Rothman, saying in a five-page opinion that Rothman's property should have met the minimum zoning standards when it first became separately owned in 1971, regardless of that previously afforded exemption.

Since the minimum lot size back then was 20,000 square feet, his property fell short of the zoning standards.

The court said grandfathered rights under state laws don't apply to Rothman's property because the local exemption had been deleted and modified in Orleans.

Neither Rothman nor Landreth returned multiple phone calls yesterday.

Brian S. Kaplan, the Newton attorney who represented the neighbors, said this new rule has potential implications for hundreds of undeveloped properties that might have outdated grandfather provisions.

''The court is saying that if you

piggyback grandfather rights, you aren't going to be protected,'' Kaplan said.

Orleans building commissioner Brian Harrison estimates that there are 10 to 12 undersized properties in Orleans that could have been deemed ''buildable'' if the court sided with Rothman.




Rothman and his attorney can now apply for their case to be heard by the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts.

Only 30 of the 7,000 decisions appealed to the SJC are heard each year, according to Alexander M. McNeil, an administrator in the clerk's office.

Jason Kolnos can be reached at jkolnos@capecodonline.com.


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Old 07-19-2005, 11:42 AM   #9
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Once again you have distorted what I or many others post. I did not say I had a problem with JFK. I merely stated that he set aside the Cape Cod National Seashore. Perhaps you should give reading a try before you put pen to paper. oke:
Distored? You were complaining about the feds taking away rights.
If I was gonna say you had a problem with JFK I'd have asked if you were jealous about how much poontang he got.

BFD, they close it for a bunch of birds. It dosen't last all season.

And if it wasn't turned into a national seashore I'm sure the Kennedy's and their buddies would have a nice long row of houses along with million dollar condos lining the rest of the area.

There's more money in property taxes from that crap than there ever would be from town beaches etc. and certainly more jobs for the locals.

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Old 07-19-2005, 11:44 AM   #10
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likwid.. Nauset generates about 1.5 mill per annum, not bad for a small parking lot and 7.5 miles of unbuildable beach.
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:51 AM   #11
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Thats impressive, I'm sure property taxes on super exclusive gated communities would generate that in a couple months after seeing how they do in other areas like Padanaram/Mishaum Point/Col. Green's and out west in areas like Newport Beach, San Luis Obispo.

And nothing is unbuildable... Ever been to Malibu?

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Old 07-19-2005, 11:58 AM   #12
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U never tried to get a permit in the peoples republic of Orleans
took me three months to process permit for a 12 by 12 tool shed, and barely got it!
All camps out there built after 1959 have been ripped down... and there is some rumblings about the lack of title 5 compliance, and the fact that none have Occ. Permits... they all might go

..... tax rate is under 5 bucks per thou as well
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:02 PM   #13
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You can have any permit you want if you have the money to afford it.

You should see the massive complex being built down on Mishaum right now.

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Old 07-19-2005, 03:37 PM   #14
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I agree with the sentiment that if all the surfcasters got together, we'd have an impressive lobby. Recreational fishing on the Cape is a multi-million dollar industry when you consider gear, gas, tackle, restaurants, hotels, and all the services that anglers use. Problem is, organizing recreational fisherman is like herding cats. We are by nature a secretive bunch.

But we can put some pressure on the authorities that be (see the other thread about MPAs). All we want is "reasonable" access to a resource that belongs to everyone.

Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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Old 09-28-2005, 12:56 PM   #15
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U never tried to get a permit in the peoples republic of Orleans
took me three months to process permit for a 12 by 12 tool shed, and barely got it!
All camps out there built after 1959 have been ripped down... and there is some rumblings about the lack of title 5 compliance, and the fact that none have Occ. Permits... they all might go

..... tax rate is under 5 bucks per thou as well
as long as its the a $$hole by the wall

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