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08-05-2005, 08:53 AM
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Nice visual! I'll have to give it a try. I would think that the hook would get snagged up a lot, but I won't assume until I've given it a try
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08-05-2005, 11:27 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manhattan
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Great Post/ point, Back Beach! I was thinking the same thing myself! (i.e., who said the cast & retrieved eel at night must be live or lively to be effective? Or that there's only one way to rig for "all" eel casting approaches).
My added 2 cents to your point, though, is somewhat disagreement, if I infer correctly that you fish primarily the sandy beaches of the Back? My take is: IF I'm fishing shallow rocky/ structure- heavy spots when eeeling, then I prefer dead/ totally non- lively eels (fear of hanging- up, & other reasons too). But IF I'm fortunate enough to be fishing the snag- free (but unfortunately now seal & cocktail- Blue infested) Back Beaches I love so much too, then I like to fish my eels live always, given the choice. No, not lively! -- I'm fishing only for my trophy/ "50," never #'s, so I adhere to the belief that SLOW & easy works best for Momma. Dead is not necessary for her to decide to pursue/ take-- but slow/ wounded/ near dead, etc., yes, I believe so! 
Changing topics briefly, for sure if I were choosing to use conventional gear w/ 40 or 50 lb. test to throw my eels, or even spinning w/ 50+ lb. braid (never touch the stuff myself!)... then for SURE I would avoid using Gama Octopus' : as to my field- testing they are "light, thin" & thus less strong eel hooks than are other options (#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s Mustad choice being one, or my preferred the Owner (Gorilla? Not sure offhand). But: as I am a 17 - or 20- lb. test Mono guy always when throwing eels from Sand... I can use the Octopus hooks & receive their special benefits (thin is always better than thick/ heavy when hooks are discussed in live bait fishing), without worrying about my 5/0's opening up when the big girl takes, which I'm convinced they would with heavy gear/ drag/ pressure.
Finally, given a choice of what I'm throwing in rocky/ sticky spots like Quonny, Nobska, Sqibby, Block, etc. : I'd be using dead eels on a heavy- duty hook, on conventional 30 or 40 lb. gear/ mono. But as I'm stubborn, & dislike conventionals in the surf, I've gone the VS 300 w/ 25 lb. mono route for that application/ unforgiving turf. So far so good: only lost 2 "50s" that way since in those type places! (Used to lose "tons" w/ 20 lb. mono)...  |
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08-05-2005, 11:55 AM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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I use the mustads bill showed but 7/0, I like em, but they do rust quick!!! (ie dont rig sluggos with them (d'oh)
I used the gami octopus the last two seasons in my skiff, 50lb braid on medium convench gear; fish up to 37lbs, never straightened or broke one.. do they tear easier? maybe... I switched to the gami HD's this spring and found them effective, but more expensive....
A hook is a hook, we all have preferences; I saw if it aint broke dont fix it...
Bryan
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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08-05-2005, 12:14 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Manhattan
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Hi, RI Rock!
No, if you're boat- fishing, & can ease up on the smooth drag of a conventional reel-- & take your time & ease fighting w/ a cow-- then the Octopus' are good to go! BUT: if you're fishing a rel. tight drag because you're in a rocky surf- spot, & muscling with beefy gear 40+ lbers. in fear of them getting their head down & into the rocks scant feet below the take... then yes, the Octopus' will be in grave danger of opening up in that scenario! Strength counts from rocky surf spots like Montauk or Point J., really more than anything else, in ALL your terminal & other gear. (I wouldn't fish a "fishy" plug at these spots, if it wasn't also industrial- strength in every- way!)...
I have a (modest) boat too, so I'm not anti- boat. But to me, gear/ tackle- wise, boat fishing is "easy," compared to what's necessary in the craggiest surf spots for us crazy wader- clad nocturnal trophy- hunters! (Who re- live their lost very big fish way too many times, whenever it occurs!  |
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08-05-2005, 12:14 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Clinton Ma
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I gave your method a try last night at the canal if you have not tried this method of hooking eels its worth a try. Thanks for the tip!
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08-05-2005, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,036
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Originally Posted by Fishguts
I gave your method a try last night at the canal if you have not tried this method of hooking eels its worth a try. Thanks for the tip!
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08-05-2005, 12:29 PM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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LeCount.. maybe you've never fished in tight to structure where I fish at drags that EXCEED the pressure I can/have to put on big fish in the surf... in open water, yeah I can let em run, but in a minefield of lobster gear or tight to a rocky shoreline, that bass cant have their head.,... put it this way, my drag is such that a good fish will tow my boat....
In the surf 70+ nights a season (not all with eels) I am fishing 20lb mono, 50-80lb leader and the 7/0 mustads.... never had a prblem there either...
Last edited by RIROCKHOUND; 08-05-2005 at 12:39 PM..
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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