SPOTS - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Nebe · 08-19-2005, 08:40 AM

I got a couple spots no body knows about.. some know the general area, but they dont know the exact location..

Its going to stay that way for a long time-

greedy?? maybe. protective?? yes.

Canalman · 08-19-2005, 09:04 AM

Greg,

I'm not sure if that was a dig or a complement...

. I have written only a few spot specific articles and I have gotten flack about it only once. I try HARD not to write about spots but sometimes they are assigned to me and I have to, well I guess I could say no... in fact I have once or twice. It's funny though when I have written a "spot specific" article I have never seen an increase in fishing pressure. Could be that people think I suck, or the spots I write about are too far off the beaten path or people just read the Fisherman on the toilet and forget what they read by next weeks issue.... I really don't know........ but I do read it on the toilet

-Dave

kippy · 08-19-2005, 09:15 AM

Fisherman and On the water are in my bathroom library!

JohnR · 08-19-2005, 09:16 AM

Dave - people think you suck...

One thing I hate is that the maggies (and some sites and people) focus so much on spots spots spots followed with reports and reports. Obviously, that is where there bread and butter readership drives them to, but rarely does a proctectionist mentality creep into the articles.

How many articles have you seen that the author says access is private or cutting through yards?

It is one thing to show someone you trust HOW to quietly and respectfuly access an area, especially private, it is quite another to post about accessing a place that is mostly private with little proper public access and get people all juiced up to get into a place. Then some of these people, not courteous of the area, go an eff it all up making noise, leaving trash, cutting through yards.

I can honestly say, and we'll use "Q" for an example, that the amount of traffic across private land to access a public space is ruining it just as fast as the excessive traffic that can be read online, in the mags, or at the local baitshops. If you go to "C" you don't need to violate any of that but at "Q" you do. So when/if we lose "Q", who is at fault?

zacs · 08-19-2005, 09:33 AM

If we loose Q, it will probably be my fault, as I pissed off a couple of homeowners there last fall when I thought for sure they would be gone for the winter and I parked/cut through their house and low and behold they were not gone for the winter or may down for the weekend or something and they gave me a piece of their mind. D'Oh. Sorry guys, call me an a$$ if you must.

I don't go there anymore. I stay with where I grew up. Green hill to the Pier.

JoeP · 08-19-2005, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zacs

If we loose Q, it will probably be my fault, as I pissed off a couple of homeowners there last fall when I thought for sure they would be gone for the winter and I parked/cut through their house and low and behold they were not gone for the winter or may down for the weekend or something and they gave me a piece of their mind. D'Oh. Sorry guys, call me an a$$ if you must.

I don't go there anymore. I stay with where I grew up. Green hill to the Pier.

If we lose "Q" it is all of our fault for not fighting for our constitutional water access rights being constantly infringed upon by the pompous landowners who live around "Q" and who constantly spit in our faces, the faces of the DEM, the faces of the CRCM, and the law by putting up fake "private" signs and unlawful rock blockades to the end of "Q".

JohnR · 08-19-2005, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeP

If we lose "Q" it is all of our fault for not fighting for our constitutional water access rights being constantly infringed upon by the pompous landowners who live around "Q" and who constantly spit in our faces, the faces of the DEM, the faces of the CRCM, and the law by putting up fake "private" signs and unlawful rock blockades to the end of "Q".

Yes and no, we as a community that gets involved (usually, or on rare occasions

) could/should be doing more to lean on DEM/CRMC for making access available and properly known, but what percentage of knuckleheads are not members of these groups or are not somehow informed by these groups? 80%? As a "group" I'm willing to bet the 75% DON'T know or care about preserving access and 20% purely don't give a rat's ass and would just as soon make noise and comotion and trash because they care about nobody but themselves.

Many of these same people check out the reports and maggies or bleed off a tackle shop purely for spot & report info as its their devine right to be there and damn the rest.

DEM is a decent organization hamstrung by lack of resources, CRMC is an organization that will side with the landowners more often than not than the general public or what is in the interests of John Q Public. With CRMC, if I had a house on the water and wanted a dock I would likely have a survey report state that I would likely infringe on potential eelgrass restoration programs in the 22nd century. If I was loaded with clout, numeric or political, they'd be tripping over themselves recommending piledriving barges.

STREETFIGHT · 08-19-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeP

If we lose "Q" it is all of our fault for not fighting for our constitutional water access rights being constantly infringed upon by the pompous landowners who live around "Q" and who constantly spit in our faces, the faces of the DEM, the faces of the CRCM, and the law by putting up fake "private" signs and unlawful rock blockades to the end of "Q".

amen- as someone from ct. who owns a house in that town (but not in that exact location) i find it appalling how those people act. although i avoid that spot because it's crowded i plan on fishing it this fall in the hopes being able to "discuss" some of the illegaly posted no tresspassing signs......

eelman · 08-19-2005, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Eben

I got a couple spots no body knows about.. some know the general area, but they dont know the exact location..

Its going to stay that way for a long time-

greedy?? maybe. protective?? yes.

jeez, you guys slam me for this stuff but you all do it!

Nebe · 08-19-2005, 10:00 AM

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jeez, you guys slam me for this stuff but you all do it!

One of those spots we both fish

The others you know about.. and eels are not allowed.

JoeP · 08-19-2005, 10:09 AM

John-

You're right -- I meant the people who actually care.

Rockport24 · 08-19-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eben

I got a couple spots no body knows about.. some know the general area, but they dont know the exact location..

Its going to stay that way for a long time-

greedy?? maybe. protective?? yes.

I think this is the key, most people know general locations, but it's those special rocks, or that little hole you found that need to be protected. Those spots where there is only room for one or two people.
Although I thought I found a couple a special rock only to show up one day to a few people fishing from it, it was on supposedly private property also, go figure...

Backbeach Jake · 08-20-2005, 07:11 AM

Nothing's worse than sharing a spot and not being able to use it again because it's crowded. The feeling of betrayal by your bud and stupidity by yourself is awful. I'm ultra careful now.

justplugit · 08-20-2005, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Nothing's worse than sharing a spot and not being able to use it again because it's crowded.

Had a guy write an article in one of the local fishing magazines about a spot. Gave exact directions including where to park, everything but a GPS cordinate.

Ten years ago ya had to work to get there but could fish it alone.

Now it's elbow to elbow.:angry: Won't go back.

Ran into a guy who lives 3 hours away from the spot who had fished it 2 days before and was going back on the weekend. Lives 3 hours away but knows about the spot.

How much could he have made on the article to make it worth loosing the spot for the rest of his life, let alone mine.

Mike P · 08-20-2005, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit

How much could he have made on the article to make it worth loosing the spot for the rest of his life, let alone mine.

Most magazines pay chump change. If you're particular about what you put your name to, you work many hours on an article. You write, redraft, edit once, re-write it, edit it again, then send it off for the editor to add his little pieces to it. You don't get paid nearly enough for the amount of work you do, if you have any professional pride in what caries your name in a by-line. No one ever got rich writing for a weekly like The Fisherman. Some guys do it for the love of writing. Some guys do it to get a foot in the door---you're now in the "club", you're "plugged in", you get to attend writers' meetings and maybe get a chance to field test some gear, and there's always hope that one of the national monthlies take note. Some guys do it for the thrill of seeing their name in print. Some guys do it becauase they like to impart information and before the internet, the print media was the only way to reach a large audience. But no one does it for the money, because it pays crap.