Spinning vs. Conventional - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

snake slinger · 08-30-2005, 05:39 PM

i like conventionals because you can use heavier line i use 30lb mono no problem.you have more cranking power there geared lower than most spinners.you get no line twist with convench.more line capacity.and if eel man uses em they gata be good.

fishaholic18 · 08-30-2005, 10:39 PM

I like spinning, no birdnest worries, no rod twist when fighting fish, and no need to freespool when using circle hooks while eeling, altho I never had a problem without circles. And I don't like to look cool..

eelman · 08-30-2005, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fishaholic18

I like spinning, no birdnest worries, no rod twist when fighting fish, and no need to freespool when using circle hooks while eeling, altho I never had a problem without circles. And I don't like to look cool..

what the heck is rod twist??? Thats a new one I have never run into before

I have zero problems with convench, no nests, no trouble with wind, nata! to me its as natural as the people fishing spinning, its easy

fishaholic18 · 08-30-2005, 11:53 PM

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what the heck is rod twist??? Thats a new one I have never run into before

I have zero problems with convench, no nests, no trouble with wind, nata! to me its as natural as the people fishing spinning, its easy

That's because you're special, Bill. Don't start!

Take your conv. and tie the line to something down low and torque the rod up, the reel will try to twist on you. That's the reasoning behind "SPIRAL" wrapping conv. rods.
How'd u do tonight?

fishaholic18 · 08-31-2005, 12:32 AM

Acually, I'm thinking of selling my conv. reels since I don't use them.
I have 2 barely used reels, Abu 6500 Pro Rocket with Smoothie drag and upgraded bearings, and a 7000 HSN with Smoothies.
Have original boxes too, reels are less than 1 year old.
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Sweetwater · 08-31-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fishaholic18

That's because you're special, Bill. Don't start!

Take your conv. and tie the line to something down low and torque the rod up, the reel will try to twist on you. That's the reasoning behind "SPIRAL" wrapping conv. rods.
How'd u do tonight?

If your rod is "twisting" when you hook up (i.e., the reel trying to turn /under/ the rod) it is because the rod was tied-up improperly. Every rod has a "spine" (or "spline") that is the natural bend in the rod. If the reel is set on top of the spine that is proper for conventional. For a spinning rod, the reel is set /under/ the spine. A proper conventional rod will not twist.

Sweetwater · 08-31-2005, 05:17 PM

In other words, you can't take a spinning rod and simply remove the eyes and put conventional eyes on the same side of the rod. To do a conversion, you have to remove all the eyes AND the reel seat and move everything to the other side of the rod (180 degrees) assuming the spinning rod was tied properly to begin with.

Check the spine (spline) and make sure that the natural bend of the rod is appropriate for the way you would normally fight a fish. The natural arc of the rod should point downward with a conventional reel on top, and a spinning reel on the bottom.

capecodder · 09-01-2005, 07:37 AM

I started out spinning only but have switched to conv for bait fishing and jigging. The conventional (525mag on a custom Lami) setup lets me throw 4-6 oz plus bait easily and far longer than spinning. Same for heavy jigs in the canal.

I still spin for plugs and eels as the retrieve is so much easier. The 525mag is not levelwind and therefore every retrieve requires guiding the line on the reel manually. No big deal for bait fishing, but for plugging it is not worth it to me as I don't need the distance.

In short, distance and weight capacity are the reasons for me. From a boat, I don't see any benefit to switching to conventional for casting situtations.

Plug · 09-01-2005, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetwater

If your rod is "twisting" when you hook up (i.e., the reel trying to turn /under/ the rod) it is because the rod was tied-up improperly. Every rod has a "spine" (or "spline") that is the natural bend in the rod. If the reel is set on top of the spine that is proper for conventional. For a spinning rod, the reel is set /under/ the spine. A proper conventional rod will not twist.

Not quite true although spine does matter.

The biggest reason it wants to twist is because the spool is wider than the rod. When the line goes over to the side of the spool it torques the rod to that side.

On small reels like a 6500 it's not as noticeable. But get a hard pulling fish like a big red drum on a long 12' heaver with a wide spool reel like an abu 7500 and you can really feel the rod wanting to twist from one side to the other as you retreive the line. Especially if it is a non-level wind and your rod hand grip is weakened by using your thumb to lay on the line.

Sweetwater · 09-01-2005, 03:56 PM

Plug, I can understand what you're saying, but I've never experienced the problem you're describing. Although most of the downward line pressure is at the tip eye and the pressure on the reel is horizontal (more or less) and there is little downward force on the reel.

I've regularly used 7000s, squidders, etc. on 10 footers and never experienced this. I also use 113Hs (which is a relatively wide spool without a levelwind) on my 6 foot boat rods and have not noticed it. I've used 49s and haven't noticed it (but that is a very narrow spool).

I'll just have to trust you on this one