It's time to..........

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Where's Lee Harvey when you really need him?

Bush--->

Advocating the presidents' assasination even in gest just ain't funny regardless of how much hate you have for him.

Shame on you.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Advocating the presidents' assasination even in gest just ain't funny regardless of how much hate you have for him.

Shame on you.

I would advocate impeaching him at this point but that would leave the "mastermind" with the reigns. Can you impeach an administration?

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Advocating the presidents' assasination even in gest just ain't funny regardless of how much hate you have for him.

Shame on you.

Let's just call it a "Friendly Fire Incident" and no, no shame on me, shame on that man for lying baldface to us and scaring two thirds of the nation into beleiving he was there man. God, more than half this country is more stupid than I thought possible in this day and age. Depressing to say the least. If he and Cheney got whacked tommorow it would be too soon. Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!! Time to take back our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And damm you all who think not!

[BigFish]

Definitely time for a good old fashioned uprising...I have been saying it for some time now...reform is sorely needed!

[Nebe]

oh my god... how did i miss this thread . let me pause...... inhale, and enjoy the arroma of bush bashing.

Ahh i love it.

while i always sound like a dumbass complaining about the guys in the whitehouse, you guys put it in a better perspective.






oh..... down with BUSH CO.

[CANAL RAT]

hey im a tree hugger

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

If he and Cheney got whacked tommorow it would be too soon. Viva la revolution!!!!!!!!!! Time to take back our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And damm you all who think not!

WHAT!!!!

You're talking about the KILLING of the president and vice president!!!

Time to take back our country?We never lost it!The only thing lost here is your mind!

You can damn me all you want and call me stupid all you want but I'll never support the killing of another American for political reasons!And before you say that's what the president is doing by sending young Americans to Iraq remember you said "If he and Cheney got whacked tomorrow it would be to soon".You may hate them but they ARE Americans.

Viva la revolution!!!!! you say.The last time Americans killed Americans 650,000 died in this thing we call the Civil War.Is that what you want?

Sick

[Nebe]

they are war criminals after all...

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

they are war criminals after all...

Yup and Saddam's a swell fella.

[JohnR]

Basswipe - I will debate this a little if you like - though everyone please remember that we're a fishing site and not a political site.


The best thing I can say about the brain trust in the White House is that they are so far removed from what is happening to Joe American that they are just being stupid and bumbling idiots. Worst case is that they are really trying to not give a hoot to those not in their circle and sticking it to us in the process.

Even George Senior had a lack of touchy feely with the middle class, though I do think he cared and was actually a decent guy who tried and fairly often succeeded in making the right decisions. Unfortunately, Junior is not a chip off the old blockhead.

The current brain trust, heretofore referred to as the "BT", have made a mockery of the integrity of what America has stood for. No longer are we the shining light of the world, we have a real bad blink goin' on.

The only real shining light I have seen from this admin is in the days following 9-11 that they got on the stick (where they and previous Prez's should have been) and went into the Taliban and at minimum, seriously degraded the Al Queda network. It has been downhill domestically and foreign ever scince. Before Iraq, we had our extremely talented men and women of the armed forces, specifically Special Forces, in many countries around the world going after these bastards with a fair amount of success.

While this was going on (and before 9/11 actually) they were already gearing up for Iraq. Building facilities, repositioning forces and equipment. Aa the BT had put together a nice little package to take care of Iraq. Remove Sadam, not a bad thing by any stretch, the man was evil. BUT they had no plan for AFTER, the nation building that before 9/11 that this administration did not believe. They completely disregarded the people with the experience of nation building (didn't fit the model), guys like Gen Garner (northern Iraq after Gulf 1) - in fact after they realized the screwed up they briefly called him back for a few months, said thanks, and sent him on his way. The BT neglected to respond to what the senior Special Forces people recommended and what they could do working with the locals to stabilize. And those that had experience in Kosovo. They did not work with the exiting Iraqi army, a common practice to bring the old army to the new army and keeping a lot of the bad guys from runnig off with their guns. How many would we be fighting if we worked with instead of against them? Brought them into the fold? They usually ignored the recomendations of the then Secretary of State, perhaps the one with the most integrity (real or manufactured) in that first term.

The bad money trail in reconstruction.

Using private firms to guard and protect instead of smart forces to win hearts and minds (it has worked).

Not having enough troops in country to start (that was time sensitive BTW, they could not wait any longer as good ground time was running out due to excessive weather). Not having enough troops after the take over to establish and maintain order.

Not having enough gear and the right gear to equip our people over there properly. That is what saddens me most, our people are being misled over there because the current brin trust believes enough that if they do A then B will surely happen. They are too slow to to react when necessary and too dumb to be proactive. And our guys are paying for it. The civilian leadership of the military is their for a purpose but with that purpose comes great responsibility to those guys and gals over there. That responsibility has been neglected.

What else?? Tax cuts for the wealthiest. An abominable Medicare package to take care of the Pharmas. The New Islamic Republic of Iraq. The environment. China. Big Biz. and BIG OIL. Corporate Welfare. Seperation of everyone else's church from state. Unfunded NCLB. Forget about I.D. The list goes on.

This admin has catered to the influential and weathly, especially if you are in Oil. How many lost and poor waged jobs are getting further squeezed whild the Big Oil makes hundreds of Billions of profit a year? At what point does corporate greed superceed the best interests of the nation? And then the J.O. goes and grants extra special favoritism to the Oil companies so they can make MORE money with MORE tax incentives!!!!!!! Clinton was a borderline loser, intelligent in some areas and a screw up in others. Bush and Co has been tripping over themselves so badly it hurts to watch it. It is sickening to watch it. It is a crime against America that too many of our people are paying for with their lives and futures.

Integrity my ass!

[wader-dad]

I am pissed off that Exxon Mobil is making 7 trillion dollars every quarter. 7 f-in Trillion Dollars!!!!! So if they sold gas for $2 a gallon they would still make over 5 trillion dollars a quarter. People have to use gas so trying to make a statement by not buying gas won't work-but I don't have to buy Exxon Mobil gas. I can buy Shell or Citco or BP. If everyone in America stopped buying Exxon Mobil gas for a month that would mean something. That would force the price down. So I am boycoting Exxon. I am pissed. Someone farts near a refinery and the price of gas goes up 5 cents. The Wall Street Journal says the price is driven up by supply and demand. And demand is high and supply is low. Well if supply is low then down make so much f-in money for a few months until you get us the supply back. And home heating oil- don't get me started. You get a cold few days in New England and heating oil goes up 25 cents a gallon. Like it is not supposed to get cold in New England. I am sick of being ripped off by big oil. Power to the People. F*ck Exxon.

[basswipe]

NO ONE has the right to to advocate the KILLLING of a another American for political beliefs plain and simple.It just ain't a matter of debate.

John,I simply don't understand any defense of politics that advocates killing the president.

I don't like G.W.Bush but I don't want to kill him.

You're right it is a fishing site.Unfortunately some turned a natural disaster into political BS long before I posted.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by basswipe

NO ONE has the right to to advocate the KILLLING of a another American for political beliefs plain and simple.It just ain't a matter of debate.

John,I simply don't understand any defense of politics that advocates killing the president.

I don't like G.W.Bush but I don't want to kill him.

You're right it is a fishing site.Unfortunately some turned a natural disaster into political BS long before I posted.

And I'm willing to bet the Flap wouldn't seriously advocate killing the president or go as far as to order the hit. On the other other hand, I simply don't understand any defense of incompetence that is resulting in the loss of fellow Americans. This guy is supposed to work for us. We're not supposed to work for fat cats to go ka-ching

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

And I'm willing to bet the Flap wouldn't seriously advocate killing the president or go as far as to order the hit. On the other other hand, I simply don't understand any defense of incompetence that is resulting in the loss of fellow Americans. This guy is supposed to work for us. We're not supposed to work for fat cats to go ka-ching

I ain't defending Bush John.I don't really like the guy either...but a person can't around saying that killing the pres. would be good thing even if he's joking.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by basswipe

WHAT!!!!

You're talking about the KILLING of the president and vice president!!!

Time to take back our country?We never lost it!The only thing lost here is your mind!

You can damn me all you want and call me stupid all you want but I'll never support the killing of another American for political reasons!And before you say that's what the president is doing by sending young Americans to Iraq remember you said "If he and Cheney got whacked tomorrow it would be to soon".You may hate them but they ARE Americans.

Viva la revolution!!!!! you say.The last time Americans killed Americans 650,000 died in this thing we call the Civil War.Is that what you want?

Sick

I suppose then you were in favor of slavery? Of two classes of people? Or that our forefathers should necver have started the rvolutionary war and we should all be still under the queen's rule as a colony?

I am not advocating, as John said, a "hit" but if it was to happen I wouldn't shed a tear. The CIA and our govt. has plns to take out other foriegn and domestic threats. In the service when in battle it is known to be commonplace to take out a an officer who was lnown to be incompetent inorder to survive and further someone who is and kinows what they are doing. Your blind my friend and the actions of the administration are blinding you. Wake up and smell the roses. I love this country, my brother lies in a cemetary in Worcester cause he loved it too and went off to fight in a jungle for a cause sold to us by a previous corrupt president and administration and at 19 came home after only 11 days in a glass covered box where my mother could not touch his face one last time and they would not tell us if his entire body had been found. Now we buy tee shirts at Old Navy made in that country we once said was going to cuase a domino effect and turn the world red. We got sold the same bill of goods in Iraq. He has to go and by any means nescesary and the people of this counrty have to stand up and do whatever we need to do to get the economy back in line as the spiral has started, equal healthcare for all, adequate living conditions, racial harmony and respect in the world. The muslim world is not our world or our culture. The tribal system and islam will never really embrace our view of democracy and they will always be fighting one another for control of thier destiny.

You live with blinders on, it must be nice to be oblivious, your just the kind of guy GW and his crew dream about. That's not what made this country great it's whats tearing us apart. Have a nice day! Your fellow American, Flaptail

[Fishpart]

My 2 cents...

While the President has a certain amount of responsibility for the economic situation in the country real change MUST COME FROM CONGRESS. They do what they want and point the finger at the President. We need a Regan style conservative, the economic posperity we realized in the 90's were a result of his policies in the 80's, unfortunately the economic cycle is one to two adminstrations after the policies are put in place. I will not argue that GW is a fool.

BTW what firms have the most capability to rebuild the Gulf Coast, soon we'll be hearing that Bush created the Hurrcaine Katrina so his company would get more government contracts..................

[Nebe]

Bush didnt create katrina, we all did. its called global climate change, global warming, etc...

[Bedford Blues]

The crisis with OIL is not the supply but WHO controls it.
There is no need to kill anyone to change things. 30 years ago
the evil USSR (Russia) appeared to be in total control of its population
using totalitarian tactics of force , lies and propaganda. That regime
ended when the population excercised non-violent action to rid itself
of communist domination. We have the means to rid ourselves of
corporate domination. Our democracy is protecting the ruling (corporate)
class and is not serving the needs of most Americans. We have a great
country and political system. The average American must realize
they have more power to change things as a group.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Bush didnt create katrina, we all did. its called global climate change, global warming, etc...

And don't forget nature and our number simply coming up. Sure global climate change and warming has a small part but that what it is, a small part. Hurricanes and Typhoons predated the industrial revolution by a billion or so years...

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

I suppose then you were in favor of slavery? Of two classes of people? Or that our forefathers should necver have started the rvolutionary war and we should all be still under the queen's rule as a colony?

I am not advocating, as John said, a "hit" but if it was to happen I wouldn't shed a tear. The CIA and our govt. has plns to take out other foriegn and domestic threats. In the service when in battle it is known to be commonplace to take out a an officer who was lnown to be incompetent inorder to survive and further someone who is and kinows what they are doing. Your blind my friend and the actions of the administration are blinding you. Wake up and smell the roses. I love this country, my brother lies in a cemetary in Worcester cause he loved it too and went off to fight in a jungle for a cause sold to us by a previous corrupt president and administration and at 19 came home after only 11 days in a glass covered box where my mother could not touch his face one last time and they would not tell us if his entire body had been found. Now we buy tee shirts at Old Navy made in that country we once said was going to cuase a domino effect and turn the world red. We got sold the same bill of goods in Iraq. He has to go and by any means nescesary and the people of this counrty have to stand up and do whatever we need to do to get the economy back in line as the spiral has started, equal healthcare for all, adequate living conditions, racial harmony and respect in the world. The muslim world is not our world or our culture. The tribal system and islam will never really embrace our view of democracy and they will always be fighting one another for control of thier destiny.

You live with blinders on, it must be nice to be oblivious, your just the kind of guy GW and his crew dream about. That's not what made this country great it's whats tearing us apart. Have a nice day! Your fellow American, Flaptail

Of course I don't support slavery.What a dumb thing to ask.

You just don't get it chief.I don't support Bush in any way,shape or form.The only thing I'm pointing out to you is that you've made several statements in support of the non-accidental death of the president and that's just wrong and shows that you don't think before you speak.Now you recant and say you don't advocate that yet you wouldn't shed a tear if he did get assasinated.
Do you think the assasination of Kennedy was a good thing?No.Well why not he is the president who put us in Vietnam.

Let me ask you this:If you had personal knowledge of an assasination plot against the president would you do anything to prevent it?Think before answer this one.

BTW.If you think the only people reading these politcal discussions are just us fisherman you be the one living with blinders on.Take FWW's advice.The net is one way the the Secret Service finds people who make dumb statements.

Have a nice day!Your fellow American.

I'm done.

[Flaptail]

Hmmm........... Actually, I think he is doing one hell of a job of killing himself and his party politically. So no need to fear, he is already dead in that vein. America is waking up to the fact as well and thats a good thing. You seem to have all the answers, why don't you run......

[Nebe]

Flap the republicans will be in power forever.... can you say voting machines with no paper trail

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Hmmm........... You seem to have all the answers, why don't you run......

You need to go fishing because you're struggling real hard to comprehend what I'm getting at here chief. I'm tryin' to help you out.So one more time......

You can't make statements supporting,even in joking,the non-accidental death of the president.Why?Because you'll end up in the clink and what good can become of that?I'll tell you...not much.

Why would I say that?Read my previous posts.I don't like the guy.I'm so tired of death and destruction it makes me sick.And yet it would never occur to me to wish death upon the president.Isn't there enough death already,why keep adding to it?

As far as running for president...no thanks.With people like you out there I wouldn't even take the chance as I like being alive and able to fish.

[stripersnipr]

Revolution........hmmm, sounds like the opportunity to wipe out Liberalism for good. Lets go for it.