Is this America?

[CJ Johnson]

Do not forget there are victims in missisippi

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[Saltheart]

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Thank you for behaving like adults.

[Mike P]

It's been at least 30 years that I've heard experts predict this disaster in N'orlins. It went exactly by the "book", as predicted. Levee failure, the entire city flooded. There should have been a mass evacuation plan in place, and it should have been implemented on Sunday. The mayor ordered an evacuation, but there was no plan to evacuate those who were without the means--no car, no gas for the car, nowhere to go, whatever.

Gov. Blanco is in way over her head. You declare the state of emergency and deploy the Guard to key staging areas ahead of the storm. There's a big difference between what the Guard is allowed to do when a governor declares a state of emergency and what the regular military can do. Other than the Coast Guard, the regular military has no teeth to back it up when they are deployed domestically--they have no law enforcement or peace officer status--they are, in fact, civilians in that sense. I'm sure the Guard had snorkel equipped trucks that could have accessed many areas that were innundated. Cripes, MSNBC and CNN got reporters to the Superdome and the convention center--you mean to tell me the freakin' Guard couldn't have got down there and enforced order? In the Watts riots of the 60s, the Guard in L.A. had "shoot to kill" orders for looters, let alone people who were shooting at them.

That being said, Bush and the Feds didn't do themselves proud. We have a Homeland Security chief who's had a deer in the headlights look on his face for over a week now. After Camille in 1969 (which while as powerful as Katrina was a much smaller storm in area), Nixon deployed the entire 3rd Infantry to the Mississippi coast to aid in the relief effort. Bush didn't even cut his vacation short and return to DC until 2 days after the storm hit.

"No one thought it would be that bad"??? Bullcrap. We've known for as long as I've been alive what would happen if NO took a Cat 4 or 5 head on.

[Raven]

i believe that world wide and here in America there has to be some form of population control other than voluntary .
It's never really talked about...

but in reality ....we are ALL on a need to know basis... not wanting a society that is in a full state of PANIC which is - feared (controlled) the most by government.

so when natural disasters strike it's a necessary evil you could say, to allow
a certain number of citizens to expire for the good of the rest and or the planet.

the government has many worst case scenario's in place were there to be a
major attack ...a cataclysmic EVENT such as a meteor strike or mega volcanic blast that launches us into a nuclear winter or permanent darkened sky....
there will only be a small segment of the population that will be manageable...or survive....
in a underground city - living off of stored provisions until it's safe again
if ever.

[Hooper]

Interesting thread....

I try to stay out of the political topics on this board, they get pretty hot sometimes and I would rather not draw fire if I can help it. But....


I voted for Bush twice and I have to say, I am not proud of it. Not just based on this event, or Iraq, but the cumulative effect of his Presidency. I supported him when friends and family would criticize his speech, dim wittedness, whatever.....but I can't do that anymore.

The working stiffs, like most of us, are working harder and harder and we bring home less and less. I am dismayed at where our country is heaing right now, really really dimayed about it. I don't see good days ahead for America. It is sad, I used to be optomistic about most things; I can't do that anymore.

My blood boiled when I heard President Bush, after being briefed by the various disaster relief organizations on his trip south, say (I'm loosely quoting this) "Senator Lott lost his home, but it will be rebuilt and it wil be beautiful, lookin' forward to sittin on his deck,too"

Reminded me of his father, when he first learned about checkout scanners at grocery stores.... these damn politicians don't know what work is or what is means to live in the real world today.... anyways, it's a sorry sorry state of affairs.

Am I wrong here????

[spence]

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

[Homerun04]

I couldn't have said it better myself, Spence....perhaps we are not really that far apart after all.....

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

i owe you 2 dannies for that one

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

When I was mentioning revolution in another thread (started by Flaptail I think) this is exactly what I'm talking about.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you're dead on Hooper, although my vision may be more optimistic.

We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

blah, blah, blah blah blah bah blah blah

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

I
We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

Let's first put a jack-booted heel to the term "neo-con." It's a childish attempt to equate traditional conservitaves to the "neo-nazi" movement in europe. Secondly.. please take off your blinders... the trend in this country is to more toward traditional values.. call them conservative if you will, but the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president, a republican controled sentate and a republican controled house. There will soon be 2 possibly 3 more "conservative" justices on the supreme court.

I think you'd better put your finger back up in the wind.. maybe lick the other side of it.

As far as the problems in New Orleans... it is a true tradgedy. Please don't try to politicize it.

If there is any blame to assess, it lies directly on the city of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Hooper

Interesting thread....

I try to stay out of the political topics on this board, they get pretty hot sometimes and I would rather not draw fire if I can help it. But....


I voted for Bush twice and I have to say, I am not proud of it. Not just based on this event, or Iraq, but the cumulative effect of his Presidency. I supported him when friends and family would criticize his speech, dim wittedness, whatever.....but I can't do that anymore.

The working stiffs, like most of us, are working harder and harder and we bring home less and less. I am dismayed at where our country is heaing right now, really really dimayed about it. I don't see good days ahead for America. It is sad, I used to be optomistic about most things; I can't do that anymore.

My blood boiled when I heard President Bush, after being briefed by the various disaster relief organizations on his trip south, say (I'm loosely quoting this) "Senator Lott lost his home, but it will be rebuilt and it wil be beautiful, lookin' forward to sittin on his deck,too"

Reminded me of his father, when he first learned about checkout scanners at grocery stores.... these damn politicians don't know what work is or what is means to live in the real world today.... anyways, it's a sorry sorry state of affairs.

Am I wrong here????

no you're not wrong. i'm in the same boat as you.