Is this America?

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

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We're going to see a progressive wave sweep the country (pun not intended) that isn't going to be a shift to liberalisim, but rather to the objective middle where the vast majority of Americans find themselves.

The neo-cons and social conservatives hell bent on corporate domination and evangelical constitutional subversion are loosing their grip, rise oh ye pragmatic and patriotic Americans!

-spence

Let's first put a jack-booted heel to the term "neo-con." It's a childish attempt to equate traditional conservitaves to the "neo-nazi" movement in europe. Secondly.. please take off your blinders... the trend in this country is to more toward traditional values.. call them conservative if you will, but the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president, a republican controled sentate and a republican controled house. There will soon be 2 possibly 3 more "conservative" justices on the supreme court.

I think you'd better put your finger back up in the wind.. maybe lick the other side of it.

As far as the problems in New Orleans... it is a true tradgedy. Please don't try to politicize it.

If there is any blame to assess, it lies directly on the city of New Orleans and the State of Louisiana.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

t the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president

honest???? thanks i needed a laugh tonight

[STRIPER77]

fishweewee rules..

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by Nebe

honest???? thanks i needed a laugh tonight

*smile* me too..

score board... hahaha

[jkswimmer]

In reply to what I just finished reading, as I just read this thread for the first time. After 9/11 I thought the government was supposed to prepared for any dissaster. Where did all are tax dollars go?

[Homerun04]

Where did all are tax dollars go?

Same place all our other taxes go to....Presidential Balls.....Congressional Vacations.....Foreign Aid.....and $20 Billion public welfare..er..I mean....Public Works programs like the Big Pig (Dig)......

FDR invented the concept of the public works program as a way to get America back to work after the Great Depression....nowadays, Presidents tend to use it as a way to get Americans to look the other way when our government decides to give away one of our industries......"Sure, outsource all our programming jobs, but we'll have plenty of new construction jobs open for the people who get displaced."

Employment is at an all-time low, and Wal*Mart is the largest private employer in the USA......unemployment has decreased, but so has actual earnings......what a country.......

[spence]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Let's first put a jack-booted heel to the term "neo-con." It's a childish attempt to equate traditional conservitaves to the "neo-nazi" movement in europe.

Actually it was liberals who first began (politically) to use the prefix "neo" to describe changes within their own ranks. What your saying makes little sense.

Secondly.. please take off your blinders... the trend in this country is to more toward traditional values.. call them conservative if you will, but the majority of the people in this country have voted in an honest president, a republican controled sentate and a republican controled house. There will soon be 2 possibly 3 more "conservative" justices on the supreme court.

And yet the polls show a continued trend to the negative. The majority of Americans think the President hasn't been honest on the issue of WMD, perhaps one of the most profound deceptions in the history of our great Nation.

I think you'd better put your finger back up in the wind.. maybe lick the other side of it.

The winds of change are being driven by a people sick of rising energy costs while record profit takers enjoy Federal taxpayer subsidies...get real.

-spence

[Nebe]

hey so how do you tell the difference between an anal and oral theormometer????


the taste

this thead is beaten to death... stay tuned for the blame game to really heat up in the coming weeks.. scape goats.. we need scape goats. the mayor, the govenor and probably the head of FEMA will fry in the hotseat, no blame will be givin to anyone high up in the whitehouse...watch and see.


The average american is quick to forget and sadly i believe in 3 years most will not remember this great blunder.. we will be too busy with iran

[Raven]

or Syria....one of the two....this war is far from being over....as you know that where ever Sadam's truckloads of money was goin....other valubles like weaponry...went there also ...way ahead of the shell game.
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southern coastline: Holland did it right.....and we should follow their example of ingenuity.

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually it was liberals who first began (politically) to use the prefix "neo" to describe changes within their own ranks. What your saying makes little sense.
-spence

Do a google search on the two terms. Does this make any sense?

Excerpted from: http://thebarristers.com/weblog/2004..._archived.html

"More importantly, "neocon" is looked upon as a truly inspired phrase that captures two negatives in one short phrase. Ask yourself: when has "neo" been used in conjunction with any other word to describe a large group of people? We don't have neobarmaids or neoteachers or neopoliticians. We don't have neotruckdrivers or neodoctors or neostargazers. We don't have neorepubs or neodems or neogreens.

But we do have neonazis.

Go ahead, Google "neonazi" in a websearch (69K hits) or even recent news (352 hits). When I see a word that starts out as "neo...", my mind immediately starts to fill in the rest: "...nazi".

Oh, it's not nazi, it's con. Right.

Not too subtle. Liberals like using "neo" because it conjures up that "n" word, a word that carries a significant amount of baggage. Long before there were conservatives, there were Nazis. Long before there were neocons, there were neonazis. Except for The Matrix, "neo" has rarely been connected to any word but Nazi. Until now.

Bush = Nazi

Neocon = Neonazi.

Get it?

It goes without saying that "con" certainly carries a negative connotation."

[whiplash]

check this out www.bushbumperstickers.com

[spence]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Ask yourself: when has "neo" been used in conjunction with any other word to describe a large group of people?

Moot. There really arn't that many neo-con's either...a small group has too much influence...that's a large part of the problem.

-spence

[Mike P]

The term has actually been around since the Reagan era. Originally, it referred to people like Lyn Nofzinger, mainly people who were 60s liberals and who turned to the right as they got older. That's where the "neo" came from then. Newly converted conservatives. I won't speculate on what it's current meaning is, or the intentions of those who throw the word around.

[NaCl H2O]

Originally Posted by spence

Moot.
-spence

Of course it is

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by NaCl H2O

Ask yourself: when has "neo" been used in conjunction with any other word to describe a large group of people? We don't have neobarmaids or neoteachers or neopoliticians. We don't have neotruckdrivers or neodoctors or neostargazers. We don't have neorepubs or neodems or neogreens.

But we do have neonazis.

I've always felt that "neo" meant new and was used to enhance certainl words, to narrow the meaning. So I looked it up:

"NEO" means new or recent "adj : (used as a combining form) recent or new; "`neo' is a combining form in words like `neocolonialism'""

New; recent: neonatal.
New and different: Neo-Freudian.
New and abnormal: neoplasm (underline abnormal )

"NEO" has nothing to do with the Nazi party other than to signify that it is a NEW or RECENT Nazi party (seeing the original Nazi party is illegal in Germany).

Now, NEO or N.E.O. - Near Earth Objects, may be what Liberals used as basis to label the NEOcons as that like near earth objects, you can see these NEOcons, but they are not often "grounded" in reality... (that was a joke )

I do think - hopefully - there will be a lot of "NEOmoderates" or "NEOindependents" in upcoming elections. That make sound decisions in the interest of America and the future of America. Not the 90 day, 180 day, or 365 day view... And that if they are thinking and acting long term (democarcy in the Middle East IS a lofty and worthy goal) that they do so in a competent, non-bungling manner - and not look to - paraphrase here for near-family content - like a monkey having relations with a football. People that will think of shaping the country to the benefit of all and especially the middle class. Why should the corporations making oooodles of profits get further tax cuts and incentives and schools get less funding? Why should the richest of the rich get another tax cut when middle america gets further squeezed? WHen the upper corp types have incentive to offshore the jobs of the lower people. This isn't trickle down economics but trickle down used cars - usually gas guzzlers. This is

As someone that has a mediocre combined family income, the swiftly increases of cost in gas, home heating oil, insurance, medical, education,
food and necessary consumer goods is taking me out of the economic engine that is America. The drastic increases in these costs consume a significantly larger portion of my budget (most in fact) than what a "rich" person say houshold income of 250K or 500K or 1mil. These people can weather spending $100 per week in gas or doubling their home heating costs. I can't without significant sacrifice. If these people that are making the decisions that effect us all base those decisions on THEIR experience and THEIR comfort levels than a lot of us - me included - will reach our "Tipping Point" much sooner than those in the "know". What happens when our country reaches the Tipping Point before those out of touch in power think it does? I'm just one tooth in a machine of cogs that has worn down and is slipping. How many other teeth need to be shaved before the machine slips again? What happens when enough teeth are shaved off the gears of economy that the gears shudder, slip, then fail to turn?

This is what scares me, that those in power in gvmt and in big biz DO NOT understand or care about the middle class or the long term future - beyond Wall Street predictions - of our country.

Oh yeh - feel free to debate these threads but no personal attacks and name calling - thanks...

[fishweewee]

[zacs]

GO SOX@@!!!!

[fishaholic18]

Go Pats!

[Hooper]

Well said John...

[Nebe]

I think THIS sums it up pretty well.


and this as well-

"... I went to Florida a few days after President Bush did to observe the damage from Hurricane Andrew. I had dealt with a lot of natural disasters as governor, including floods, droughts, and tornadoes, but I had never seen anything like this. I was surprised to hear complaints from both local officials and residents about how the Federal Emergency Management Agency was handling the aftermath of the hurricane. Traditionally, the job of FEMA director was given to a political supporter of the President who wanted some plum position but who had no experience with emergencies. I made a mental note to avoid that mistake if I won. Voters don't chose a President based on how he'll handle disasters, but if they're faced with one themselves, it quickly becomes the most important issue in their lives." - Bill Clinton, My Life (p. 428)

[NIB]

I'm a neobe
from neojersey
I can't read the neoyork times
but i carry one around all the time in public.
lookin for a neoworld order