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09-13-2005, 05:48 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Value to the team Ron...Sox have been in 1st virtually all year....they go post season and he wins it hands down....his stats are worlds better than A-Rod and Vladdy!  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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09-13-2005, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigFish
Value to the team Ron...Sox have been in 1st virtually all year....they go post season and he wins it hands down....his stats are worlds better than A-Rod and Vladdy! |
As usual Larry, you're wrong!!!
Like I said, I like Ortiz,
But he doesn't have to run around the out field or play 3rd base!
wearing down his body all season! |
LETS GO BRANDON
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09-13-2005, 06:47 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Ron...I didn't make up the rules or the DH position...but there it is and he is having a great year playing the position. Also Ron...you can't be wrong when it is an opinion...as I have said before.....disagree with it but at least show it some respect.  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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09-13-2005, 08:07 PM
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Registered User
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AVG .296 | HR 41 | RBI 127 OBP 396 SLG .599 ortiz
AVG .319 | HR 41 | RBI 110 OBP.420 SLG .600 a-rod
AVG .313 | HR 29 | RBI 97 guerrero (less at bats)
it'll be a close race.....but i do believe being a DH puts ortiz at a disadvantage, but he really deserves it considering all the game winning hits he's had this year
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09-13-2005, 08:10 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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That is what makes an MVP in my opinion....clutch hits and making them pay off with wins!  Nobody has done it better than Big Poppy! Vlade is not even in the running!  |
Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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09-14-2005, 07:25 AM
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Super Moderator
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You can take Vlad out of the Picture, he missed to many games and his Stats don't Stack up next to Ortiz and A-Fraud.
It should go to Ortiz because he IS more Valuable to his team's success than A-Fraud is to the Yankees, unfortunately most of the Sports writers are Nitwits who like to feed into controversy. As of this writing the Yankees aren't in the Post-Season yet, and the Sox are.
I don't by the "Need to play a positon" theory. If you're the most valuable at what you do for the team and its success then thats what should count.
They've given the award to pitchers, and they only play 1/5 of the games, hell they gave it to Eckersley in 92 and he only pitched probably 60-70 innings all season.
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09-15-2005, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
They've given the award to pitchers, and they only play 1/5 of the games, hell they gave it to Eckersley in 92 and he only pitched probably 60-70 innings all season.
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I had heard that somewhere before....  |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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09-15-2005, 08:50 PM
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[QUOTE=The Dad Fisherman]You can take Vlad out of the Picture, he missed to many games and his Stats don't Stack up next to Ortiz and A-Fraud.
Got any idea how or why Vladdy got injured and ended up missing time this season?
I'm not sure myself, but If I had to guess, he hurt himself playing the outfield and not swinging a bat!
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LETS GO BRANDON
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09-14-2005, 09:35 AM
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bass addict
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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie
As usual Larry, you're wrong!!!
Like I said, I like Ortiz,
But he doesn't have to run around the out field or play 3rd base!
wearing down his body all season!
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I'm with you on this one... I love Ortiz.... great hitter and a great guy.... but he is all offense.... he has very little defense... my bet is A-Rod....(don't get me wrong, I personally can't stand him) he has good #'s both offense and defense |
one more cast.....
don't forget to take your trash home
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09-14-2005, 09:56 AM
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Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by kayaman
my bet is A-Rod....(don't get me wrong, I personally can't stand him) he has good #'s both offense and defense
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He's not that great on Defense...since we're looking at #'s
He's middle of the pack on errors, assists, double plays, and put-outs an he is near the bottom of the list for his range.
A-fraud is ALL bat.....that is what will get him the MVP, if he gets it, not his glove.
Can you tell I'm not one of his biggest fans |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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09-14-2005, 05:07 PM
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I need spring!
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Ortiz should get it. Since when does defense win somebody an MVP?
Did Bonds win all his MVP's for his fielding?
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09-14-2005, 08:53 PM
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Afterhours Custom Plugs
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how could he not be- man is carrying team.
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09-30-2005, 11:20 AM
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MVPapi- 27/40 homeruns have either tied or won the game this year...pretty amazing that he has been responsible for that many wins. I know he doesn't play the field but it is phenominal what he's done.
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09-14-2005, 08:54 PM
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DDG-51
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He did it again tonight. My vote goes to Ortiz not that CHEAT arod.
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09-15-2005, 10:13 AM
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Uncle Remus
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One more time. The guy is unbeliveable. I heard something today to add to the controversy of MVP. Eck got the Cy Young I think as reliever and he had maybe 60 total innings compared to a starter who pitch's many more so who's to say a DH can't win MVP. I will be stunned if he does but he is more valuable to Sox than Ahole is to Yank's. Paul
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09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
A-fraud is ALL bat.....that is what will get him the MVP, if he gets it, not his glove.
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"All bat"? Respectfully disagree. He's as good a glove-man as anyone. In fact he's fast, he can hit, field, run the bases, and he's smart. Like him or hate him, 'doesn't matter a lick. The fact remains that he's a total ballplayer. |
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09-28-2005, 07:37 AM
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Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by Arno
"All bat"? Respectfully disagree. He's as good a glove-man as anyone. In fact he's fast, he can hit, field, run the bases, and he's smart. Like him or hate him, 'doesn't matter a lick. The fact remains that he's a total ballplayer.
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If he's so fast why does he only have 18 Stolen bases????He doesn't even lead his TEAM in this category. I already admitted he could hit, that's what will get it for him, if he gets it. and based on THIS years stats he is an averge Fielder (it doesn't matter what he's done in the past). Pretty much middle of the road on most defensive categories and bottom 3rd in his range rating. |
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09-28-2005, 07:53 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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When he has been on 1st...I don't recall him letting us down with any errors?  |
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09-28-2005, 12:57 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
If he's so fast why does he only have 18 Stolen bases????He doesn't even lead his TEAM in this category.
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Because for most of the year, he batted third in the order, with guys like Sheffield and Giambi hitting behind him. You don't go running a guy, or play hit and run, and risk running yourself out of a potential big inning and/or taking the bat out of your sluggers' hands. Not a lot of teams have their #3 hitter stealing with their clean-up hitter at the plate and less than 2 outs 
Let's say Ortiz had speed---would you run him with Manny at the plate? |
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