Oct. OTW

[Nebe]

THERE ARE LOTS OF FISH ON THE BACK BEACHES OF THE CAPE RIGHT NOW!!!! \\\ LOOK FOR A JEEP AND A TOOTWESS GUY FISHING MENTAL ALL BY HIMSELF>

hehehe

[JohnR]

Hmmm, how to keep this short ????

My biggest concern is not losing access to places to fish and a big part of that is parking. All of the spots in Steve's article have been written several times in the past few years. Maybe not to the detail but they've all been written. They have all been in the reports section of xyz123 website, the fisherman, projo, beacon, times, globe, herald, OTW online, etc. While I think it was not a good idea on Steve's part to write such detailed spot info, he wasn't the first and he won't be the last. He is a decent guy and either did not consider or underestimated the consequences, at least for the spots, but I'm willing to bet he figured he would be helping out people with that article. I'm sure the intention was not to burn spots. My issue is access and the loss of it if everyone is blurbing spots and reports. If people share info, things usually spread a lot more slowly than a big article in OTW. This is where people need to be responsible with access and throwing spots out - regardless who or where its done, is just not that responisble in my opinion. Anyone that tells you they learned every spot on their own is BS'ing. Everyone has learned something from someone or somewhere, including the articles, books, sites, etc.

My point is these things have to be done in balance and done responsibly as it is not worth losing the ACCESS!! That is all the counts, the access. Last year when people we saying go to such and such and there was a ton of fish last night, the next day was busy. A lot of first time to that spot people not knowing how to get in, cutting through yards. Now maybe 1 in 5 were making noise, leaving trash and disrespecting the local, but how many does it really take? How many does it take before the residents go before the local town council (who likely don't care much for the night surf angler) and close the parking? Then a general area is lost, That serves nobody. It's a good short term strategy but it dies in the long term....

Now I want to say one other thing. There are a lot of people jumping personally on Steve on this. That's wrong. He has done nothing any different than another who knows how many people have done over the years. So don't make Steve out to be the bad guy. This might not be one of his brightest moves but he's not a bad guy.

You want to fix the problem? Maybe work on the culture of "spots", how they are handled and reported.

Ok - done for now ...

You could be REAL adventurous parking in one place and biking to another.

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hmmm, how to keep this short ????

Ok - done for now ...

John-

I was just kidding about the length of the posts -- keep 'em coming.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Now I want to say one other thing. There are a lot of people jumping personally on Steve on this. That's wrong. He has done nothing any different than another who knows how many people have done over the years. So don't make Steve out to be the bad guy. This might not be one of his brightest moves but he's not a bad guy.

are you kidding?? Sorry but Steve should be held acountable for his actions. Yes he is a nice guy, yes he has helped alot of guys out including me, but this article of his is just about the worst thing you could do as a surfcaster.. As a local narragansett surfcaster, i feel like he just slapped me right in the face. Steve is the bad guy here John.. the pen is mightier than the sword and there was quite a bit of blood spilled this month. I just lost alot of respect for him and i will tell him that the next time i see him...

The key to a good surfcasting article is to write up a puzzle.. give clues, give suggestions give just enough to get the reader jazzed and most importantly steer the reader to come to his own conclusions on how to fish an area......

What he did is more like handing out a treasure map with the keys to the castle, plus the secret handshake....

poor form imo..

[Slipknot]

Eben, the poor form is the 180 you did on this subject
you started out not pissed at all and now you lost respect for him.


What's done is done. Get over it and move on people, maybe we all learned something from this subject. No sense flaming a guy who doesn't even have a computer to defend his actions. Take it up in person.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Eben, the poor form is the 180 you did on this subject
you started out not pissed at all and now you lost respect for him.


What's done is done. Get over it and move on people, maybe we all learned something from this subject. No sense flaming a guy who doesn't even have a computer to defend his actions. Take it up in person.

calling my poor form is poor form on your part..

[Slipknot]

[Backbeach Jake]

You know, from my point of view, I've never fished there and I found that article interesting. I may never visit there, but if I do one day, I'll know at least something. It's a fishing mag, a good one too. What'd ya expect? My spots get mentioned all the time. Crowds 'em up in the daytime, but in the dark of night, not so much damage is done. The only thing that really concerns me is trash. But if our enforcement guys were enforcing, trash would nearly be eliminated with a few hefty fines. I think that I'm babbling now, sorry...