Oct. OTW

[lurch]

WOW this is a long thread...wasted a good amount of time reading this. It is funny to see people super pi$$ed at the start of the thread and now folks are calming down.

I honestly do not care about spots because the "googans" (man I hate that term) dont fish in the dead of night, on windy, rain or foggy days; they only fish on weekends and when the sun is shining. The problem is that they usually dont clean up and know how to fish the spot with other people there but if they did everything would be ok by me.

Now I can get back to work.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by lurch

WOW this is a long thread...wasted a good amount of time reading this. It is funny to see people super pi$$ed at the start of the thread and now folks are calming down.

I'm too lazy to hold a grudge

[cheferson]

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[piemma]

Originally Posted by cheferson

Threads in 5th place for most views on the site

...and in first place for causing the most aggrevation...

[bloocrab]

Originally Posted by lurch

....I honestly do not care about spots because the "googans" (man I hate that term) dont fish in the dead of night, on windy, rain or foggy days; they only fish on weekends and when the sun is shining......

And on that one weekend they have the tendency to leave more than enough trash. The coastline is so massive that unless a spot is very well-known, it's not missed as much if lost. There are lost-spots out there that would make you drool silly, lost to negligence.

Originally Posted by lurch

....The problem is that they usually dont clean up ......

That's why WE HAVE to CARE about SPOTS....mine, yours, and theirs!!

Seawolf - You're right, when and if there is a trash barrel present, it's normally filled with househould trash. It's a no-win situation, that's the sad truth. I think the "beach/rock clean-ups" are helpful, especially if the local residents see fishermen doing it....but all it takes is that one lazy group who don't even have the decency to use the trash barrel, nevermind take their own trash home...

If you see someone littering while fishing and you don't know how to approach them, I know some of you can be a bit timid - - ....you may want to start the conversation by saying something like this....

"I heard they're going to close this place down. It's under review right now. They are monitoring how clean it's being kept. It sure would be a shame to lose the right to fish here huh?...Yeah, really sucks. I pick up some of the trash from time to time, but it's gonna take more than one person to save this place........have a nice day, and good luck!".....

[Pete F.]

How about another thread on suggestions for good interesting articles that would sell magazines without burning spots.
I myself would rather have seen 4 articles with the same illustrations without locations and more detailed explanations of how to fish breachways, Points, reefs, rocks, etc.
What works and why in the writers opinion with no guarantees.
Then again I liked bassmasters articles.

[whiplash]

It almost seems to me that the folks doing the most bitchin don't even live on the coast. Believe me spot burning impacts folks like me more than you. I grew up on the Cape (cotuit) lived 17 years in Rockport and now live in Mattapoisett. And in my 50 years I've seen criminal amounts of coast shutoff from the tax paying citizens of those communities because of out of town sharpies or googans. The "sharpies " pushing the limits to get to that secret honeyhole and pissing off landowners and cops alike and the googans are just dumb $hits. You guys think it doesn't piss of a local to find all the parking filled by non residents in season or off season or to find a conga line at the mouth of a very productive creek? I've been living with the Boston globe,the herald, fisherman mag. and now on the water all my life . The Herald did a story on Folly cove pier (best whiting hole you've ever seen) back in 87 on a friday by sunday it was no tresspassing with a Rockport cop at the gate in the 70's it was Squaw island in the 90"s too many to count access to the Ipswich river Essex river and the Annisquam . Every body thinks behind Nichols is good better places were shut down. I could go on but I feel my blood pressure going up now. Too much byte space and energy has been wasted on this subject. Give it a rest go fishing and be nice to the locals.

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by whiplash

It almost seems to me that the folks doing the most bitchin don't even live on the coast. Believe me spot burning impacts folks like me more than you. I grew up on the Cape (cotuit) lived 17 years in Rockport and now live in Mattapoisett. And in my 50 years I've seen criminal amounts of coast shutoff from the tax paying citizens of those communities because of out of town sharpies or googans. The "sharpies " pushing the limits to get to that secret honeyhole and pissing off landowners and cops alike and the googans are just dumb $hits. You guys think it doesn't piss of a local to find all the parking filled by non residents in season or off season or to find a conga line at the mouth of a very productive creek? I've been living with the Boston globe,the herald, fisherman mag. and now on the water all my life . The Herald did a story on Folly cove pier (best whiting hole you've ever seen) back in 87 on a friday by sunday it was no tresspassing with a Rockport cop at the gate in the 70's it was Squaw island in the 90"s too many to count access to the Ipswich river Essex river and the Annisquam . Every body thinks behind Nichols is good better places were shut down. I could go on but I feel my blood pressure going up now. Too much byte space and energy has been wasted on this subject. Give it a rest go fishing and be nice to the locals.

Whiplash, I see you get the point most of us are making -- loss of access due to these types of articles is the problem -- it's a shame you have to sound so ignorant saying it. Attacking people on this post about whom you have no idea is just that, ignorant.

Now, landowners blocking access to the water in an unconstitutional manner is a whole other topic -- don't get that ball rolling here.

[whiplash]

My point is that the articles will always be there to make money for somebody and that closures are also not always the result of an article. By the way I attacked no one on the board or in these posts but did I get a little close to the bone? What we need to do is insted of just bitching about it -do something . My Boy Scout troop does 3 beach clean ups a year and not just in our town , maybe we need to do the same in some high volumn areas around the area RI the Cape and North and South shores like MBBA does. What about working with the EPO's to moniter problem sites and I don't mean just calling , but meeting with regional managers to set something up formally.If you live on the coast get involved with the public access board in your town or the conservation commissions . BY the way live in a tourist town for a while and you'll find out what ignorance is.

[SeaWolf]

whiplash, you make an interesting point, but one of the biggest reasons for loss of access is that some areas that are state row's are just being overgrown and most do not know about it. before you know it, they are gone and overturned in the state.

another larger, growing problem is that most of the shoreline is beiing bought up by the wealthy of the world. those that do own some of the shoreline houses that were in the family for yeas are being forced out due to high taxes. is that fair? no, but it's happening. and, most of those rich buying the houses on the shoreline are from out of state! they are not locals anymore either. and, they are trying to change town ordinances/laws to allow these same land owners to vote on issues in that town, even tho they are registered in that town. unfortunately, money speaks volumes these days and gets things done.

some of these row's need to be addressed, but very carefully. as you might only get one shot to keep it open, so you need to do your homework well. as i said before, get involved in a group fghting for your right to fish. do your job cleaning up after yourself and others for the good of us all.

[whiplash]

Seawolf you better believe ROWs are a valuble asset to the community. So many land owners especially the new rich that move into sea side communities think that they can block them off . I served 12 years on the Rockport Con Comm and half a dozen times a year we had to deal with the issue of public access. They would fence them off, pile brush. post signs make threats . It got to the point that they started a board just to protect the ROWs. I realize that it's almost impossible for folks who don't live in coastal towns to particpate in protecting these areas but there is a state office for public access that I'm sure would like some help. Its up to us to keep these areas open. Unfortunately when a closure issue comes up at a town meeting the boards know who is a townie and who isn't but numbers sure do impress a town board .

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by whiplash

Too much byte space and energy has been wasted on this subject. Give it a rest go fishing and be nice to the locals.

I just got mine... Lost my interest in that publication and didn't look at the rest of the magazine. I do not get it.

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[fishaholic18]

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