UNBURNED SPOTS!!!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Forgot to add..
I grew up in a family that fished commercial rod and reel on the side and ran a charter/headboat for a long time (till I was a teenager).. same thing applies on the water, if someone is anchored up and someone else comes and drops the hook and ends up 30ft from you (in 100ft of water) not only is it unsafe, but it is rude as hell, and the true old school guys would launch sinkers at you till you left...Also forgot to add: Spence is a jackass

[RIJIMMY]

One thing I think all of us need to be aware of.
Surfcasting is gaining popularity. Just look at this site, high end plugs, high end B&Ts.
This means more people, more often. We all can choose how we want to respond to each encounter.
Just this Sunday, I fished most of the night, I was tired and grumpy and ended up at a spot where I knew there have been some small fish. Figured I'd catch some schoolies before goign to bed. This was 5am, the lot was FULL. More cars than I ever seen. I was going to leave, but I waded out and found a spot. I had to watch every cast to make sure I did not cross lines. The guy to the right of me gets a fish and suddenly I see another guy, who just got there, literally running in waders and 3 feet of water, right in front of me, and casts in my zone, I had no place at all to cast. He was practically shaking with excitiement. I was pissed and cast right at him, he just moved the line over his head with his hand and kept casting. I moved, not worth it and left shortly after.
Its a fact that more guys are out there, and the internet is adding to this.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

One thing I think all of us need to be aware of.
The guy to the right of me gets a fish and suddenly I see another guy, who just got there, literally running in waders and 3 feet of water, right in front of me, and casts in my zone, I had no place at all to cast. He was practically shaking with excitiement. I was pissed and cast right at him, he just moved the line over his head with his hand and kept casting. I moved, not worth it and left shortly after.

This is exactly the kind of nitwit behavior PIEMMA is grumping about.

Just because you're in a place where people don't usually tread doesn't mean the rules of common courtesy don't apply. While it's not worth picking a fight over, it certianly is worth letting them know their behavior isn't acceptable.

-spence

[JHABS]

I like Out of Site Out of MIND...................

[RIROCKHOUND]

Chef;
this was unrelated to Steve's article, this was at another spot...
October is a mess that is true but this is getting out of hand...

[RIJIMMY]

I agree with pieema spence, just think its only goning to get worse.

Funny though, I saw a picture of you once on the site and when this guy ran in front of me Sunday, I thought he looked like you....

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Funny though, I saw a picture of you once on the site and when this guy ran in front of me Sunday, I thought he looked like you....

When was my pic ever on the board?

Perhaps the person was unusually strong and handsome so you just assumed it was me.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

You mean your avatar is not you?

[piemma]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I agree with pieema spence, just think its only goning to get worse.

Funny though, I saw a picture of you once on the site and when this guy ran in front of me Sunday, I thought he looked like you....

RIJIMMY:
It was Spence. He is always in the way.

[spence]

That's only because you're always following me

-spence

[JHABS]

[Rockport24]

that story is a perfect display of googandry and I do not blame you for reacting the way you did. I used to fish the PI riverfront in the spring, but couldn't take the googans not knowing how to cast into the current and ending up casting right over my line. Had to move on. Wasn't like we were killing them there anyway.

The summer I have been putting in a lot of times on the rocks, if somebody got that close to me in the rocks I would be a little pissed too.

[topwatertom]

I'm glad my dad has a boat and loves to teach me how to fish because you guys think your the only one's entitled to. I'm glad I dont live in Rhode Island!

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by topwatertom

I'm glad my dad has a boat and loves to teach me how to fish because you guys think your the only one's entitled to. I'm glad I dont live in Rhode Island!

Tom - welcome to S-B... If it were as simple as that, yeh, i would be upset too. Surfacsting is many things, to be enjoyed with your peers and freinds but also to be enjoyed in solitude, espscially if you make a long walk at Oh-Dark-Thirty. This isn't a case of standing shoulder to shoulder at the Herring Run in May, or the pictures I see of a Jersey Jetty or under Montauk light - where you get to know who is standing next to you whether you like it or not. This is a case of being hunted out in the mid of night. This is a lack of courtesy.

Your dad takes you out to teach you how to fish, and that's great. I bet if you ran into almost anyone on this site and most other avenues be it the local shop, or most guys you run into on a beach, you would get anything from a pointer or a tip to maybe having someone give you some valuable information, especially if you show courtesy, a little respect for the elders (in Piema's case, the UberElders ), and some respect for your surroundings. If someone shows up in the dead of night with sneakers and a 12 pack and camps three feet from me, I would say something too. I wouldn't want someone to break their tailbone or worse, or for that matter, make me break mine because I had to go in after them. Trust me, you don't want me to be the fine line between life and death out on some rock in a heave , odds are not good for either of us.

As far as being entitled? Nahhh. There is room for everyone. That's the thing. Sure, not every place is available for everyone. Some access is locked up solid and the only way is to tresspass. Other places tolerate some but would falter under any real pressure. Some places can handle a crowd and some can handle the beer swilling, the trash littering, and the like. But spread it out.

The surf game is significantly diffrent than the boat game and it does an injustice to both to compare them.

Lurch - I agree with you a fair bit. But just because you show ettiquette doesn't mean everyone will. Unfortunately surfasting doesn't have Bowling Rules where etiquette lets the guy on the right go first. Just always in flux. Good or bad. Yes, we need to do our part to make it better. But if someone at 3 in the morning chose to stand on the rock I was on instead of the other 40 casting rocks across a couple hundred yards of beach, I would say something too. Wouldn't screem at him like the senior diplomat, but I would try to get my point across anyway.

Dangles - do you really need to take shots at people at every turn? First its this guy, then someone else, then the moderators aren't moderating, then we're moderating too much, or just moderating the wrong stuff. Will anything make you happy? Or not crtitical at every juncture?

[ThrowingTimber]

piemma yer gettin soft. next time just friggin deck em

[jbuck]

It's a funny thing about ettiguette. I know it's a pain in tha a$$ out there.
This guy that you encountered had no clue, Most likly hes was not lucky enough to have somebody show him the ropes.I not saying it is anybodys responsiblty to educate all the yahoo's. A simple give me a little room here
and we will be fine may have been gone a long way.

With more and more people fishing it's not going to get less crowded on any spot.

Just think of it this way if you fall in the guy you just yelled at may have to pull you out out of the wash.

[bassmaster]

mass guys going to ri = dont know how to fish Ma

[lurch]

I read the 3 feet part but it was the response that got me. Maybe I am different maybe it is because I saw about 20 fisherman this weekend and spoke to them all without any problems (except the one jackass from CT).

I was talking to my buddy saying that "you can always talk to a fellow fisherman if he has a fishing rod in his hand" because of the responses I got this weekend. I now know that when I get a negative response Ill kick the crap out of them and take their equipment

[kippy]

It's going to be a tough weekend..have to find some unburned spots to fish!

[cheferson]

Its october all the sh-itheads are out in force. Quit trying to blame everything on mckennas article.

[Arno]

Originally Posted by cheferson

Its october all the sh-itheads are out in force. Quit trying to blame everything on mckennas article.

Ahh, how refreshing. A voice of reason.

Overall, I'd be more PO'd at the people, especially certain ethnic types (trying to be politically correct, here) who hook schoolies and take them home for the dinner pot - not giving a damn if they're undersize or not.

Along with others here for sure, I make no bones about telling them to throw them back. Maybe they don't know or maybe they don't care, but they need to be told.

And as far as people crowding you, it's happened to a lot of us - and I don't like it either. To use (maybe a poor) analogy, if my wife and I were sitting a restaurant, I wouldn't expect anyone to come and sit their mangy asses at our table. It just isn't done. Same type of etiquette should apply to fishing. And to repeat... some people just need to be told.

[piemma]

AMEN!!! My point exactly...


To use (maybe a poor) analogy, if my wife and I were sitting a restaurant, I wouldn't expect anyone to come and sit their mangy asses at our table. It just isn't done. Same type of etiquette should apply to fishing. And to repeat... some people just need to be told.[/QUOTE]

[piemma]

I will go into the details Since you really want to know.

1) This guy and his buddy were not your standard surfcasters.

2) The spot I was fishing is, as Bryan said, BIG. There's 2 miles of rocky shoreline.

3) Every year somebody dies at this spot because they don't have a clue as to what they are doing. It's a dangerous spot.

Now the details:

These guys had no Korkers or wader tops on.

There was a 4 to 6 foot sea running and it's pitch black 3:00 AM.

The rock I was standing on can hold 2 guys if you are very friendly, have fished togher often and know the water. Otherwise you will be crossing lines.

The guy had a bucktail on and this is a ROCKY spot. He would have been hooked on the bottom on the first cast which would mean, I would have to stop fishing and finally...

I was into fish and these guys knew it. As a result they were gonna jump in my boots.

Sorry Lurch, if you think I was wrong then you don't understand anything about what we do. Everyone who knows me, knows I have done this for a long time and am the first to help a rookie learn the ropes but no strangers are spot jumping me.

[choggieman]

I said it the other day, the spill over is happening. New faces in places they do not belong, and lotsa new faces at that. The etiquette, or lack thereof is a dead give away. Last week, standing on a rock, two morons in wetsuits wade out and stand on the rock I am casting around. Best of all, the headlamps were on constantly and always in the water.
The article was bad, but it is not the only spot burning source. That website in ct tells of all exploits in all of soco with very graphic detail. So, is it spill over or is it due to direct burning of spots from another source?

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

face the facts, striped bass fishing is a very popular these days.this past Sunday my local paper here in VT, the Burlington free press. had a full page article on striped bass fishing in Plymouth mass.we are a coulpe hundred miles from the water.no matter were you go or look there is something on striped bass.when i first started fishing in the 60's with my father you never even thought of bass till Columbus day at least from the boat. i would say expect it to get worse befor it gets better.something to think about too as long as with all the info on these bass boards it doesn't take a genuis to figure out were to fish even if no spots are named. we are our own worst enemy.