Hey Zeno

[NIB]

Hey Bernie !

[piemma]

Agree with Nebe. One of the best articles I have seen written in some time. Especially like the fact that Z gave good information without getting overly specific.

[keeperreaper]

No treasure map? WTF? Great article.

[RIJIMMY]

Funny, I read the article yesterday and I walked away with learning nothing. Hey there are stripers at Montauk, its rocky there too! Wow, thanks. He makes it sound like there are no fish in New England in November, you need to go south
I actually pondered why i bothered subscribing to any mags. Its the same old stuff rehashed every month. I wasnt looking for spots, but at least something I could learn! I thought the lure commentary was stupid and seemed like plugs for certain brands. Thought it was a waste of ink, sorry to sound disrecpectul but I am really suprised you all liked it.

[NIB]

I haven't got the mag yet.But like I said ilike Zeno writing.He goes beyond the typical where,what how too's.There's more to fishin then havin something on the end of ur line.sure the internet is this great palce for our world of instant gratifaction.i'll take a well written book or article anytime.its too bad u chose to slam the article.but thats ur choice.montauk ain't for everyone.it's HARD fishin.there's a adrenlaine rush to it that is tough to beat.Thats good.Stay in NE. NY are not nice anyways.

[RIJIMMY]

Its not too bad,. I just didnt like it. I'll fish Montauk, but his articel will have nothing to do with it. Perhaps its not fair to be critcial without being more specific.
Here what I would have like to have seen.

- The typical "fall" season for Mntk, for example , fsih migrate in Sept and stay until Dec. Some basic idea of when the fishing picks up and when it ends.
- The lure talk was insulting, he says that Mntk regulars would never throw a needlefish becasue of the rocky condicitons....HUH? I throw heavy neeldefish at some of the most rocky places in RI, needlefish are top water lures, even when retrieved slowly. Then later in the article he mnetions that thee do throw needles when the sand eels move in, but reccomends a slow sinker.
Then he says to throw buck tail jigs...huh? Inconsistent concepts

- could have added more history about the place

I am not trying to be a jerk, I really did not like his style, seemed lke an 8th grade book report. Didnt win me over.

[PNG]

Saw the article but didnt read, just breezed it. I was busy scouring the rest of the mag to see any explanation or apology for last months issue. Nothing. Editorial comment, nope. Guess it didnt happen

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Funny, I read the article yesterday and I walked away with learning nothing. Hey there are stripers at Montauk, its rocky there too! Wow, thanks. He makes it sound like there are no fish in New England in November, you need to go south
I actually pondered why i bothered subscribing to any mags. Its the same old stuff rehashed every month. I wasnt looking for spots, but at least something I could learn! I thought the lure commentary was stupid and seemed like plugs for certain brands. Thought it was a waste of ink, sorry to sound disrecpectul but I am really suprised you all liked it.

your kidding right. You learned nothing???? i learned about 10 different things, but hey, i am a very observant guy

[RIROCKHOUND]

Ok, My 0.02 cents...
Was this a ground breaking article? No, did I learn about skiishing for the first time? Nope, did I learn that yellow darters at Montauk for the first time; nope... This article was a decent read, on an area I havent yet fished. It described the area, fishing, tackle and style (mugging ) of the locals...
Was it contradictory? Maybe but then again look at buggies in C-town and you will generally see bucktails during the day and plugs at night...

The bigger issue is that fact the RIJ made an observation that he didnt really think it was that great of an article, whats the big deal in that? J___ C____ Spence ripped every writer besides Manzi and Lyons yesterday saying he learned nothing from anyone else; besides Flap getting a bit deservably pissed, noone cared (it was spence after all)

I wrote an article recently for OTW, all I got was some praise.. I would have LOVED some criticism and feed back to learn and improve for any future articles that I may want to write. I dont know him, but hopefully Zeno feels the same way... I mean in acadamia you send work out for review and people purposely shred it, and this is done to IMPROVE the work... why should fishing mags be different... You cant please all the people all the time

Zeno, highly decent article, I enjoyed your popper at night article more than this one, but this one was a good look at Montauk...

I havent read the T-Tog article yet but that may be worth a look, maybe I'll learn something there

Bryan

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Ok, My 0.02 cents...
Spence ripped every writer besides Manzi and Lyons yesterday saying he learned nothing from anyone else; besides Flap getting a bit deservably pissed, noone cared (it was spence after all)

Bryan, send me your article if you want a little criticism

And anyway, while I admit my remark was (needlessly) inflammatory, I didn't rip every writer besides those two...rather I was just commenting on what I've read (I don't believe I've ever read anything by Flap BTW, although I probably have). I'm sure there are plenty of good writers out there, but the publishers don't (IMHO) solicit enough good writing to get me to subscribe to a magazine. They are mostly just containers for boat adverts....

-spence

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Ok, My 0.02 cents...
Spence ripped every writer besides Manzi and Lyons yesterday saying he learned nothing from anyone else; besides Flap getting a bit deservably pissed, noone cared (it was spence after all)
Bryan

That's funny.

I thought the article was pretty good. Great pics too.