Hey Zeno

[RIROCKHOUND]

Ok, My 0.02 cents...
Was this a ground breaking article? No, did I learn about skiishing for the first time? Nope, did I learn that yellow darters at Montauk for the first time; nope... This article was a decent read, on an area I havent yet fished. It described the area, fishing, tackle and style (mugging ) of the locals...
Was it contradictory? Maybe but then again look at buggies in C-town and you will generally see bucktails during the day and plugs at night...

The bigger issue is that fact the RIJ made an observation that he didnt really think it was that great of an article, whats the big deal in that? J___ C____ Spence ripped every writer besides Manzi and Lyons yesterday saying he learned nothing from anyone else; besides Flap getting a bit deservably pissed, noone cared (it was spence after all)

I wrote an article recently for OTW, all I got was some praise.. I would have LOVED some criticism and feed back to learn and improve for any future articles that I may want to write. I dont know him, but hopefully Zeno feels the same way... I mean in acadamia you send work out for review and people purposely shred it, and this is done to IMPROVE the work... why should fishing mags be different... You cant please all the people all the time

Zeno, highly decent article, I enjoyed your popper at night article more than this one, but this one was a good look at Montauk...

I havent read the T-Tog article yet but that may be worth a look, maybe I'll learn something there

Bryan

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Ok, My 0.02 cents...
Spence ripped every writer besides Manzi and Lyons yesterday saying he learned nothing from anyone else; besides Flap getting a bit deservably pissed, noone cared (it was spence after all)

Bryan, send me your article if you want a little criticism

And anyway, while I admit my remark was (needlessly) inflammatory, I didn't rip every writer besides those two...rather I was just commenting on what I've read (I don't believe I've ever read anything by Flap BTW, although I probably have). I'm sure there are plenty of good writers out there, but the publishers don't (IMHO) solicit enough good writing to get me to subscribe to a magazine. They are mostly just containers for boat adverts....

-spence

[tynan19]

Zeno had a good little article in this past weeks Fisherman also. Written for Mtk but can be applied everywhere. Nice work Z.

[Chris in Mass]

Originally Posted by tynan19

Zeno had a good little article in this past weeks Fisherman also. Written for Mtk but can be applied everywhere. Nice work Z.

Major s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g up about to take place - may not be suitable for all ages: I was wondering if they were talking about the same guy who wrote "A Whitewater Epiphany" in this week's Fisherman. I had to double check. Before seeing this thread, I read that article like 5 times (sorry - only been at this for 4 years). I was in these conditions a few times this season - fins bustin certain portions of the foam - plenty of bait. - etc. Couldn't sleep the other night thinking what I would have done differently to get more consistent hookups. Great article, humble style. Somebody was asking in another thread what to do with all your fishing mags when your done with them - this one's a keeper - I'll be looking for the next Zeno article!

[TheRattBoy]

Z's artical was the best one in this issue , I read it and threw the magazine away , it's so thin without the "Insiders" and I don't care about boat stuff...Hopefully they'll do another "wood" issue , That's what I like the most, and I don't think i'm alone on that.

[Bliz]

Cudo's to the OTW staff on Troublemaker Lures...

I enjoyed seeing Steve Fransescon's Surfster writeup.

It is nice to see someone get the recognition that he deserves in pursuit of his passion in building one of the finest quality and best producing wooden lures out there on the market today...

IMO, Fransescon will go down as one of the legendary plug builders of his day.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Flap's got a column in otw monthly which I read and enjoy... his take on fishing the cape beach often applies to SoCo open beaches as well.... I think personally think Steve's got the best style of the writers on the scene right now (not a shameless ass-kissing, my OPINION) In fact a while back I told Steve through a PM I was writing an article for OTW and he was supportive and I appreciated that..
As far as shamless plugs for certain manufacturers, I think most writers without a vested interest in selling tackle talk about what works for them, and thats it (hopefully)

You have to remember; most guys that write for mag's arent WRITERS! we have been solicited to write an article and then do the best we can...

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You have to remember; most guys that write for mag's arent WRITERS! we have been solicited to write an article and then do the best we can...

You're contradicting yourself

Although I get the point...and it's well taken.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

You're contradicting yourself

-spence

Where?

[spence]

If you accept an invitation to write then you are (de facto) a writer!

Sort of like how because I stand on a rock and throw eels and plugs into the water I am a fisherman

I thought you had to work?

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

In my opinion, a true writer is someone who does it regularly and professionally; a fisherman who writes 1 article a year is not a writer in my opinion...
I am working; your dragging me into your circular logic!

[zimmy]

looking at this thread I noticed there is something about no needles at Montauk. Well, I haven't fished there yet, but I bought several of these needles called the "Montauk needlefish ." Well, what's in a name. Must be a marketing ploy for those of us who don't know much. At least they work ok elsewhere

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Ok, My 0.02 cents...
Spence ripped every writer besides Manzi and Lyons yesterday saying he learned nothing from anyone else; besides Flap getting a bit deservably pissed, noone cared (it was spence after all)
Bryan

That's funny.

I thought the article was pretty good. Great pics too.