bailed Van Staal - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

SeaWolf · 11-15-2005, 12:20 PM

honestly, the only time i ever look down at my vs (or when i used a 706) was when ever once in a great while i'd catch the line twice w/ the roller. it becomes second nature putting the line on the roller after doing it so many times.

my reasons for liking a manual bail, it's one less piece to worry about or fail. of course, you cannot compare a 704 bail system to new ones found on stellas or saltigas. if i'm eeling, i drop the rod and take the line off the roller, just the same as someone opening a bail. it becomes second nature.

as pete said, there are times when you need to put line on the roller quick, like w/ tuna. my experience is usually when i'm fishing in a gale and the longer i take catching the line after the lure hits the water, the bigger the bow in my line and possibly missed strikes. you learn to feel the lure hit the water, start reeling right away and maybe "feather" the line as it comes off to control distance.

now, when ohh when will that sealed drag and gearcase, non levelwind vs casting reel ever come out! that's what i want to see!

Krispy · 11-15-2005, 12:30 PM

If you want a bail, go with technology that matches. Id get a Saltiga, Nautil, Shimano, etc. or wait for the Accurate.
A bail on a VS is like airbags on a horse n' buggy.
VS is jumping the shark
What they should do is build a new bailed spinner from scratch with updated internals and spool design instead of slapping a bail on reel designed to be a bare bones workhorse

Pete_G · 11-15-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Krispy

If you want a bail, go with technology that matches. Id get a Saltiga, Nautil, Shimano, etc. or wait for the Accurate.
A bail on a VS is like airbags on a horse n' buggy.
VS is jumping the shark
What they should do is build a new bailed spinner from scratch with updated internals and spool design instead of slapping a bail on reel designed to be a bare bones workhorse

This was actually a pretty big redesign. The roller bearing was moved from the handle up into the rotor cup on the main shaft. Same place as the Saltiga's probably is. The bail was anything but just slapped on there. If no one here is using it the reel is in the shop for people to take a look at.

The Accurate is not going to be a surf reel as far as I know. They may say it is, but that thing is built for tuna. A sealed drag doesn't make a surf reel.

MAC · 11-15-2005, 04:47 PM

There is a site online that is taking orders for the 150 and 100. With prices of 689 for the 150 and 669 for the 100. I do agree that this will open a whole new market for VS. A lot of fishers hate bail less reels. I fish a 250 jigging the Canal and a lot of times a bail would come in handy when letting it roll.

Pete_G · 11-15-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SeaWolf

honestly, the only time i ever look down at my vs (or when i used a 706) was when ever once in a great while i'd catch the line twice w/ the roller. it becomes second nature putting the line on the roller after doing it so many times.

my reasons for liking a manual bail, it's one less piece to worry about or fail. of course, you cannot compare a 704 bail system to new ones found on stellas or saltigas. if i'm eeling, i drop the rod and take the line off the roller, just the same as someone opening a bail. it becomes second nature.

as pete said, there are times when you need to put line on the roller quick, like w/ tuna. my experience is usually when i'm fishing in a gale and the longer i take catching the line after the lure hits the water, the bigger the bow in my line and possibly missed strikes. you learn to feel the lure hit the water, start reeling right away and maybe "feather" the line as it comes off to control distance.

now, when ohh when will that sealed drag and gearcase, non levelwind vs casting reel ever come out! that's what i want to see!

Wait till you see the picture of the casting reels. You think pics of Accurates and high end Shimanos get you excited. The VS casting reel is possibly the most beautiful reel I've ever seen...

lurch · 11-16-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_G

Wait till you see the picture of the casting reels. You think pics of Accurates and high end Shimanos get you excited. The VS casting reel is possibly the most beautiful reel I've ever seen...

Any pictures of the casting reel...now I am excited!!

Mugz · 11-16-2005, 08:03 AM

Can't wait to hit the lottery so I can get one!!!!

piemma · 11-16-2005, 09:46 AM

What Sea Danges said.

I just drop the rod tip from 12 O'clock to 9 o'clock and count to 5. Never had a problem hooking fish with live eels using this method. I use a 10 foot rod. I think that you need to wait a little longer with a shorter rod just because of the physics involved.

I fish a VS 250 but before I got it I used converted 704s. I agree that you do need to look down at the roller on the 704s as the geometry of the roller is slightly different. I never need to look down with the VS and I fish exclusivly in the dark. It just becomes second nature to put the line on the roller.

pops02 · 11-16-2005, 09:51 AM

Does anyone know if or when they are going to make these with right hand retrieve, or, if they make any model with right hand retrieve ?

piemma · 11-16-2005, 10:15 AM

I have seen the VS250, Right hand retrieve, on Ebay so they must have made them.

Pete_G · 11-16-2005, 10:29 AM

"Have" is the proper tense. I don't think they're making them anymore. There was talk about doing away with the "lefty" right hand retrieve reels a ways back so I doubt they're going to offer the bailed reel in that configuration, but you never know.

Unless a shop somewhere is sitting on one from way back ebay is the only option for a bailess "lefty".

jerry d · 11-19-2005, 01:20 PM

You'll get more "sand lock-up" on the skirted spool than on the internal spool because of the amount of surface between the spool & the rotor.IMO looks like a better boat reel than a surf reel.

Pete_G · 11-19-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry d

You'll get more "sand lock-up" on the skirted spool than on the internal spool because of the amount of surface between the spool & the rotor.IMO looks like a better boat reel than a surf reel.

Unless you jam at least an 1/8" diameter rock in there I wouldn't worry about it. Sand won't phase it, there's plenty of room. It's designed to rinse down easily just like the original.

jerry d · 11-19-2005, 02:07 PM

ok,hard to tell from the photos.A buddy was telling me about a guy testing the 150 on an Arra 1204,said it was nice match on the 10'er.What's your opinion?

spence · 11-19-2005, 02:25 PM

What's the weight?

-spence

Pete_G · 11-19-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jerry d

ok,hard to tell from the photos.A buddy was telling me about a guy testing the 150 on an Arra 1204,said it was nice match on the 10'er.What's your opinion?

It might be a perfect match. I'm even using it on a 1205. The VSB150 weighs in at 16.9oz, and a bailess VS200 weighs 18oz so it makes sense that a bailed VS150 would feel "right" on a 10ft stick.