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tattoobob · 11-16-2005, 06:38 AM

Lighten up

Skip N · 11-16-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tattoobob

Lighten up

When you make such stupid statments that are intended to get people pissed what kind of reaction do you expect? And how the hell did this get turned into a Bush thing!? You Bush and God haters just love to rip into either whenever you can.

spence · 11-16-2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

You Bush and God haters just love to rip into either whenever you can.

I can think of many times I've thanked God for bush

You really don't understand politics to you?

-spence

MoroneSaxatilis · 11-16-2005, 03:24 PM

Just for the record, I'm anti-bush.
I prefer a nicley trimmed landing strip at most.

tattoobob · 11-16-2005, 03:37 PM

Wow there is alot of assuming going on here and alot of you guys are putting words into my mouth. What you guys are assuming is just not true.

The Dad Fisherman · 11-16-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

You Bush and God haters just love to rip into either whenever you can.

What...You can't be one without being the other?

and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him.

Skip N · 11-16-2005, 12:12 PM

"and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him"

Truthfully i really dont care what they believe. Thats thier belief and i should respect that. But what ticks me off is how so many of them try to tear down any mention of God in the US. Remove the mention of God from Buldings, Money, The Pledge and no Xmas. That is extreme in my opinion and is not what this country was founded on. They just flip out and call any church goer and Extremist and a nut. If your an Athiest thst fine and thats your belief...Just dont try and tear down this countrys tradition and history with God becuase you dont like it.

spence · 11-16-2005, 12:15 PM

Skip, the number of people who really feel it's important to remove all references to God in our government is limited to a very small handfull of the population.

You're watching too much FOX News

-spence

Skip N · 11-16-2005, 02:12 PM

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Skip, the number of people who really feel it's important to remove all references to God in our government is limited to a very small handfull of the population -spence

Yes thats true but they get alot of Publicity for doing it and sometimes get thier way. And most if not all are athiests. Well the ACLU also. But they suck too and are way outta the main stream.

basswipe · 11-16-2005, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip N

"and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him"

Truthfully i really dont care what they believe. Thats thier belief and i should respect that. But what ticks me off is how so many of them try to tear down any mention of God in the US. Remove the mention of God from Buldings, Money, The Pledge and no Xmas. That is extreme in my opinion and is not what this country was founded on. They just flip out and call any church goer and Extremist and a nut. If your an Athiest thst fine and thats your belief...Just dont try and tear down this countrys tradition and history with God becuase you dont like it.

"The atheists".

I can taste the venom in your words already.You give atheists way to much credit.You don't even understand us.You spell it with a capital "A" because you can't help but help but look at atheism but as a "religion".You simply don't get it.

My belief is this:I'm born...I live...I die.The end.Interfere with the part between "born" and "die" I'll let you know.GET IT.

afterhours · 11-16-2005, 08:46 PM

religion......

Nebe · 11-16-2005, 08:56 PM

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religion......

yup. i will bs about politics, but religion is taaaabooooo

basswipe · 11-16-2005, 08:52 PM

The morons who want to ban jesus,joseph and mary at christmas or people who want to fly planes into buildings are equally as stupid.

All I want to do is to do is live and die without people imposing god or religion on myself or this planet.Why?The end result is always negative.

Squid kids Dad · 11-16-2005, 08:56 PM

Geez ..This seems like another thread gone wild...Lighten up guys....It was a good story...Freikin lighten up everyone...Relax...Dont take evryting so seriously...

basswipe · 11-16-2005, 08:57 PM

Could you imagine a jehovas witness coming to my door right now.

When I was done he'd be having a beer and a shot.And on the phone looking for a hooker

NOW THAT's a joke.

Swimmer · 11-16-2005, 12:56 PM

What about the crusades? Are you saying no one died in the named of someone else Gods wrath during those skirmishes? I wonder what would have happened in europe if Hitler wasn't killing every Jewish person he coud get his hands on. Maybe we would have let the war in Europe run its course and we could have just fought the heathens from across the Pacific. Would we have become involved at all?

Of course being a Jew is not just a religon its also a culture, heritage and since 1967 sinai war being a jew is someone who comes from Israel.

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

spence · 11-16-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

I think this notion is legally, morally, ethically, spiritually, physically, positively, absolutely undeniably and reliably not true!

Sorry, the OZ was on last night

But seriously, Stalin was an athiest...but I don't believe history shows this was a driving force behind his bad behavior.

-spence

macojoe · 11-16-2005, 01:19 PM

Gee, I just thought it was a funny story!! Never meant to start a RELIGIOUS WAR!!!

People get all worked up for nothing!! No wonder we are all screwed up!!

The Dad Fisherman · 11-16-2005, 01:47 PM

The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)

It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.

In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.

The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.

World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.

The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)

The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a peice of someone else's Stuff.

It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.

Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....

MoroneSaxatilis · 11-16-2005, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

What about the crusades?.

Actually, the main goal of the crusades was to take back territory, and plunder riches. When the Crusaders got to a given city and attacked it, they killed everybody, including fellow Christians because those particular Christians had a stake in the land, gold, and other riches that the Crusaders were after.

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Originally Posted by Swimmer

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

So this means that they were killed in the name of NOT having a god, which would make this particular atheist just as guilty as people who supposedly kill in the name of some god. Does this mean that all atheists are bad?
And from what I understand, Stalin killed all those people because he viewed them as political subversives who wanted to turn Russia facist or capatalist and challenge his power.

Swimmer · 11-16-2005, 12:57 PM

Godless, classless society............Stalin.

Swimmer · 11-20-2005, 05:13 PM

To whomever...
No I don't think athieist are any better or worse than me. I treat everybody the same. Couldn't give a rats arse whether you go to church or not. As far as the rest of my post about the crusades and Stalin I'll stand by what I said, but thier is much more to what I have to say in regard to whether an established religon or lack of plays any part in people dying in war or did religon start a war.
While greed, egomaniacal behavior and many assorted personality disorders have started many more conflagrations than any religon I firmly believe that as a means to an end religon was used and is currently used to enflame the unintelligent and downtrodden members or certain societies to keep them fighting and in the fold. Certainly in Iraq with al-zaquari (?) and with bin ladin wherever he is religon is only a means to an end. It is the best network of non-personel communication these tyrants have. None of these tyrants need to speak with any of thier undelrings other than an occasional message to them on Al-Jazeera or the local mosque to keep them fighting. However, I am sure that they do chat each other up. I am referring to the poor and mislead people that to them just belonging to the fringe of any terrorist group is the closest thing to a real family they have.
Go to church or don't go to church. Have a god or don't have a god. As long as you find peace everyday in what you do. Priceless......