Navy Seals...........

[chris L]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)

It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.

In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.

The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.

World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.

The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)

The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a peice of someone else's Stuff.

It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.

Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....

so george carlin is correct !

Im getting rid of some of my stuff to make room for someone elses stuff . I have room for some stuff just not enough room fo all the stuff .

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Just for the record, I'm anti-bush.
I prefer a nicley trimmed landing strip at most.

[tattoobob]

Wow there is alot of assuming going on here and alot of you guys are putting words into my mouth. What you guys are assuming is just not true.

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

What about the crusades?.

Actually, the main goal of the crusades was to take back territory, and plunder riches. When the Crusaders got to a given city and attacked it, they killed everybody, including fellow Christians because those particular Christians had a stake in the land, gold, and other riches that the Crusaders were after.

Originally Posted by Swimmer

Many if not most of the people Stalin the athiest killed he did so because they did believe in a god and did belong to a religon, and were diametrically opposed to his beliefs, which would make thier deaths associated just a bit to religon.

So this means that they were killed in the name of NOT having a god, which would make this particular atheist just as guilty as people who supposedly kill in the name of some god. Does this mean that all atheists are bad?
And from what I understand, Stalin killed all those people because he viewed them as political subversives who wanted to turn Russia facist or capatalist and challenge his power.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by chris L

so george carlin is correct !

One of the Greatest Philosophers of our time.....

[BigBo]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh................winter is here at last.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

Ummm.. no. People are dying because a bunch of whack-jobs CLAIM that god has told them it's ok.

Ummm.. no. PEOPLE who use religious and political agendas are resposible for death and destruction.
Religion is MAN MADE.
I am neither Christian, nor Jewish, nor Muslim, nor of any other man made relgion. I have no religion, but I DO have a God.

Relgion is for people who are afraid of going to hell. God and spirituality are for people who have already been there.

To address your first misguided statement.They don't claim god has told them its OK they BELIEVE god has told them its OK.

For your second misguided statement.You can't have an agenda without believing in at least something say like a "man made" religion.The religion comes about as a belief in some sort of deity.

You say have you no religion but you DO have a god.To me that sounds like covering your A$$ "just in case".Sex before marriage,getting drunk,seeing a women naked...you know the things the "major" religions prohibit are OK with you because you dont have religion but you DO have a god,no worries you're covered cuz you have a god.I'll bet you've broken a christian/jewish commandment or one of the muslim laws without guilt because you don't "have" a religion,but you have a god so you're "covered".

Give me a freakin break.I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

BTW remember I'm an atheist so throwing in the hell comment kinda proves you do have a belief in christianity.Oops.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I hate how people like you make anyone who believes in God out to be a radical religious freak...Get lost. Are you the same guy who is trying to get "under God" outta the pledge and "in God we trust" off money? Will you be one of the people who wants Xmas banned too? Your the real freak. Dude, Take a freakin Joke for whats its worth. it was funny!!

I don't believe anywhere in Bob's post that he called you a religious radical freak.

I can certainly say I don't care whether the words god are in anything I'm a freakin atheist.I love giving and getting gifts too so keep christmas around.WTF do I care if money says "In god we trust" on it I still need it to pay to the bills.

You call Bob a freak.Why?

The more I think about it the more I get pissed.Somehow my contribution as a vet is somehow less because I'm an atheist?

The original post isn't a "joke" as you put it.Its a troop motivator that has more than likely been around longer than you've been alive.It was NEVER meant to be funny.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

The actual bottom line that war is started for is....Stuff (Money, Land, Oil, Chickens)

It doesn't matter what They just want your stuff. They conquer you and take your stuff.

In the crusades they conquer you and make you believe in Christ....so That way the Church can take all your stuff.

The revolutionary war we wanted to keep our stuff and the british wanted their stuff back.

World War II Hitler wanted everybody's stuff.

The civil war the south didn't want to free their stuff (slaves were property so technically they're stuff)

The trojan war someone wanted to get themselves a piece of someone else's Stuff.

It all boils down to either trying to keep your stuff or having someone else trying to take your stuff.

Its just that sometimes religion is a convenient excuse....

Religion was used as the "convenient excuse" in EVERY single instance above other than the American Civil War.It was fought over states' rights.Most southerners couldn't afford slaves never mind land.It became a religious issue after the Emancipation Proclamation was introduced.Most believed slavery was against gods' ideals.Simply put...enslaving your fellow man is just wrong it has nothing to do with religion its JUST WRONG.

War has never been about stuff.Its about imposing one's beliefs on another.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

If you really believe that you are the one being foolish. Stalin was an atheist and killed millions. The tutsis who carved up a million hutus didn't profess to be doin it in the name of any god. Neither the First or second world wars had any religious overtones, unless you count the fact that hitler killed thousands of people simply because they believed in "the one whose name cannot be spoken." But if you think that all "death and destruction" is religiously motivated you had better go back a re-read your history books.

You don't get it!!!

Your entire statemwent explains it!!!Stalin killed millions BECAUSE of religion ...it was a threat!!!

Spend a little more time with the hutus and tutsi thing.THAT'S defenitly a religious thing.Both tribes believe in different gods that's why they kill one another.

My favorite is your Hitler statement.How shall I begin on this one.First Hitler
believed the Germans to be "god's chosen".The jews were not therefore they
should be exterminated.

I'm an atheist you CAN'T defend your religious beliefs to ME.

My suggestion to you would be not to re-read the history books but to read about the ACTUAL history.

[Nebe]

The question is this- does god think that violence is the answer to all of lifes disputes?

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

"and by the way....Athiests don't "Hate" god...they just don't beleive in him"

Truthfully i really dont care what they believe. Thats thier belief and i should respect that. But what ticks me off is how so many of them try to tear down any mention of God in the US. Remove the mention of God from Buldings, Money, The Pledge and no Xmas. That is extreme in my opinion and is not what this country was founded on. They just flip out and call any church goer and Extremist and a nut. If your an Athiest thst fine and thats your belief...Just dont try and tear down this countrys tradition and history with God becuase you dont like it.

"The atheists".

I can taste the venom in your words already.You give atheists way to much credit.You don't even understand us.You spell it with a capital "A" because you can't help but help but look at atheism but as a "religion".You simply don't get it.

My belief is this:I'm born...I live...I die.The end.Interfere with the part between "born" and "die" I'll let you know.GET IT.

[afterhours]

religion......

[basswipe]

The morons who want to ban jesus,joseph and mary at christmas or people who want to fly planes into buildings are equally as stupid.

All I want to do is to do is live and die without people imposing god or religion on myself or this planet.Why?The end result is always negative.

[Squid kids Dad]

Geez ..This seems like another thread gone wild...Lighten up guys....It was a good story...Freikin lighten up everyone...Relax...Dont take evryting so seriously...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by afterhours

religion......

yup. i will bs about politics, but religion is taaaabooooo

[basswipe]

Could you imagine a jehovas witness coming to my door right now.

When I was done he'd be having a beer and a shot.And on the phone looking for a hooker

NOW THAT's a joke.

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Your entire statemwent explains it!!!Stalin killed millions BECAUSE of religion ...it was a threat!!!

Only if you're talking tax exempt status for the church

Seriously Wipe, I think you may be a little O2 depleted from catching all those schoolies this fall. Stalin's carnage was political and had little to nothing to do with religion.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

Seriously Wipe, I think you may be a little O2 depleted from catching all those schoolies this fall. Stalin's carnage was political and had little to nothing to do with religion.

-spence

I would love for you to say that to my grandparents.Folks who are not of that generation and did not live there simply don't know.My grandparents suffered for one reason and one reason only and it had absolutely nothing to with Stalin's politics but more because of my grandparents religious beliefs.

[spence]

I'm assuming because they were Jewish?

-spence

[Squid kids Dad]

Am I missing something here ??? Boy did this take a turn...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm assuming because they were Jewish?

-spence

jewish liberals

[Skip N]

Basswipe is one pissed off atheist! Dude chill out just a little. i thought i was getting worked up on this topic but you are just going nuts. Nice to see you see some value in Christmas though...You use a Christian holiday when you can get free stuff. be a true atheist and dont celebrate xmas and dont recieve any gifts. And your buddy Bob's first post used the phrase "brain washed christians" or something like that. Clearly a statement made to piss off Christians.

[Nebe]

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by basswipe

You say have you no religion but you DO have a god.To me that sounds like covering your A$$ "just in case".Sex before marriage,getting drunk,seeing a women naked...you know the things the "major" religions prohibit are OK with you because you dont have religion but you DO have a god,no worries you're covered cuz you have a god.I'll bet you've broken a christian/jewish commandment or one of the muslim laws without guilt because you don't "have" a religion,but you have a god so you're "covered".
BTW remember I'm an atheist so throwing in the hell comment kinda proves you do have a belief in christianity.Oops.

Actually, I don't need to be covered for anything, because even though I DO have a god, I don't believe in an afterlife of any kind. I believe that when you're dead, it's over. I don't believe in "sin" or any other human concept associated with relgion. The god of MY understanding "covers" me NOW, while I'm alive and here. To me, god is simply some sort of force in the universe and has more to do with science than any man made, arbitrary religious rules. I call it god because it's a convienient word. It's amusing to me that you can be so narrow minded and that you think that everyone's beliefs simply MUST fit into some sort conventional pidgeonhole, and that it's impossible for individuals to come up with thier OWN ideas.
Even though I have a god, I also believe that any and all references to god should be removed from all govt instituions wether it be schools, currency, or what have you, unless they could find a way to show that said references don't refer to any particular god, and we all know differently. Everyone knows that the god referred to in these references is the Christian God, and I find that to be offensive.
As for my use of the word "hell", it was used metaphorically, as in; at times, "my life has been a living hell". Don't try to tell me that you've never said, "What the hell this, or what the hell that...".
Uhh ohh.. you said hell! You really AREN'T an atheist after all!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by basswipe

War has never been about stuff.Its about imposing one's beliefs on another.

Got to disagree with you on that one...War is ALWAYS about stuff, whether it be Money, Land, or other economically valuable items. Which all pretty much equal money.

When Hitler marched into France it wasn't to exterminate the Jews or force his religious views....it was to take France over...period

In the civil war I'm sure it wasn't the poor southerners that were financing the soldiers weapons, food, and clothes. A lot of "donations" came in from the wealthy slave owners that were afraid of losing their 'Free Labor" and their wealth when it happened.


And Eben's right....never argue religion. The only way to PROVE your right is to "Walk into the Light". I'm not ready to prove anything yet

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Nice to see you see some value in Christmas though...You use a Christian holiday when you can get free stuff. be a true atheist and dont celebrate xmas and dont recieve any gifts.

ABSLOTULEY!

If they be offerin' free stuff I be takin'!That doesn't mean I celebrate xmas it just means I take ADVANTAGE of it.Its like taking Columbus day off,the 1st humans stepped foot in North America over 17,000 yrs ago yet the reason for holiday is meaningless.Why buy a car on certain holidays?Why..cuz the deals are good and you're taking ADVANTAGE of those deals.Simple.

And btw my girlfriend is a christian and since we are madly in love and this is America I participate because she asks it.A reason to consume beer and good food and get free goodies because of someone's b-day whos' very exsistance is questionable...you bet.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm assuming because they were Jewish?

-spence

Nah.Christians living in a society(Soviet that is) where any beliefs were a threat
so they left.Ended up in beautiful Beirut Lebanon until the Syrians(muslims) and the Israelis(jews) invaded and laid waste to entire country over religious views.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Got to disagree with you on that one...War is ALWAYS about stuff, whether it be Money, Land, or other economically valuable items. Which all pretty much equal money.

When Hitler marched into France it wasn't to exterminate the Jews or force his religious views....it was to take France over...period

In the civil war I'm sure it wasn't the poor southerners that were financing the soldiers weapons, food, and clothes. A lot of "donations" came in from the wealthy slave owners that were afraid of losing their 'Free Labor" and their wealth when it happened.


And Eben's right....never argue religion. The only way to PROVE your right is to "Walk into the Light". I'm not ready to prove anything yet

Not even gonna bother.

[basswipe]

Anyways..............its all about the almighty Striper!