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11-17-2005, 04:32 PM
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Uncle Remus
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Do you use crystal clear before scuff or just scuff the paint?
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11-17-2005, 04:38 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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A clear Scuff coat....I've been using E-Tex in a spraycan....I'm sure there is something better that these guys use....I'm still a rookie myself  But its been working for me |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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11-17-2005, 04:50 PM
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Calling Jon The Fisherman
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The Sack Of Mass
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Paul,
a few things I know of may cause that problem and the fact that you are using rattle cans narrows it down even more. I'd say you are either...
-Laying your paint on too thick. most paints dry from the substrate out to the surface. Spray paints are designed to dry quickly so, if the paint is really layed on there the surface will dry while the paint closer to the plug will remain soft and full of solvents. As the solvents make their way out they will force the epoxy to let go.
-Not allowing enough time between coats of paint. For the same reasons listed above, if paint is not given ample time to dry before being recoated it will hold its solvents and lift the clear.
-Scuffing may also help as Scott suggested, but I don;t believe scuffing alone will solve that problem. Usually adhesion problems will not become apparent right away.
It sounds like solvents are trapped and affecting the cure of the epoxy.
Hope this helps... use light coats and follow lable directions for dry time, recoat time and application.
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11-17-2005, 05:02 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
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about 3 days to a week for sealer..val oil/turp,,,24hrs. between all coats no matter what the can says.. by coats i'm talking primer,paint,scratch coat,,if your doing a multy step paint job say spray can 24 hrs. then another coat scales ,,accents.. another 24 hrs.. haste makes waste
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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11-17-2005, 05:11 PM
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Permanently Disconnected
Join Date: Nov 2002
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Dave is right, and one of the things that I thought of when I seen those pics was solvent flashing off. Every time you spray a layer you actually re-solvenate/attack the layers below if everything is compatible. If you trap solvents like that then you will have problems later on. This was one of the things I had a problem with a few years ago and ended up hiring a coatings consultant to review my processes and make suggestions of a better way to do it. My particular problem was coming from the sealer/primer stage.
Two ways to paint...wet on wet is best for some stuff, or let each layer dry and then another coat. You'd be surprised how long it takes solvent or latex paint to dry with multiple coats. Either way you have to let it dry alot before the topcoat.
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11-17-2005, 05:03 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Originally Posted by Professor Moriarty
Do you use crystal clear before scuff or just scuff the paint?
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rust-toleum painters touch clear.. |
Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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11-17-2005, 05:13 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
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Originally Posted by Tagger
rust-toleum painters touch clear..
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Eddie, you still using Bin primer.  |
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11-17-2005, 08:17 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
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Originally Posted by justplugit
Eddie, you still using Bin primer. |
I never ever used bin primer,,, i mean ever never,,, Zinsser primer sealer stain killer bond coat .. Its like the only thing I never changed ,, I mean never ever... u got me mixed up with other eddie,, u old sock ... 
Frank Zapper is the best musician that ever walked gods green earth !!!! |
Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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11-17-2005, 08:59 PM
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Registered Grandpa
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Location: east coast
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Originally Posted by Tagger
I never ever used bin primer,,, i mean ever never,,, Zinsser primer sealer stain killer bond coat .. Its like the only thing I never changed ,, I mean never ever... u got me mixed up with other eddie,, u old sock ... !!!! |
Here we go again, Zinsser, white cap, black cap, whatever cap. Kick me if i'm wrong, my primer is" Zinsser,red can, white cap, Bin, shellac-base Primer Sealer stain killer spray". The only other sealer they make is their bulls eye products. KIll me if i'm wrong and send me a pic of ya on the drums in your band if i'm right.  |
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11-17-2005, 09:01 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
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NO not red can ,,,, white and gold can ... geeez dog
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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11-17-2005, 09:07 PM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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this stuff
Last edited by Tagger; 11-28-2005 at 10:38 PM..
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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11-17-2005, 10:42 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
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Originally Posted by Tagger
NO not red can ,,,, white and gold can ... geeez dog
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OK, i stand corrected. Should have known better,The Hahnmeister is always right.
Stillz want the pic of you on the drums. |
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