Editing Posts

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The internet is a funny thing.People can write things that they otherwise might not say.I can see why John took exception to my post,in my opinion it is because I brought back an incident he was embarrassed of.He and and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& had a knockdown drag through the mud battle played out on the keyboard that was entertaining for some.Fortunately the issue was resolved in private like it should have been.They are both good guys.But then the thread just disappeared into thin air.Deleted.When Slip recently asked for amendmants to the time limit on editing posts I took the liberty of pointing out that certain people have the advantage of deleting their mistakes whenever they want while others have a time limit on editing.
I don't ever recollect criticizing the actions,effort or discretion of any moderators in the past.However I do admit to stirring the proverbial pot on occasion.Sometimes the result is good banter like we have here,other times I have been embarrassed by what I wrote.
BTW Saltheart,do you know what sycophant means?

Dangles - again, your take on what and why is wrong. My "exception" to your remarks being about me and Bill's little "spat" as it was called is not what it was about, now or then. I personally don't like to edit or delete threads, including removing them but if they don't belong then I will, and I did. I'm not embarrassed about it, regret that it got to that point, yeh, embarrased, no. Granted, you've only been here for a year or so, but I'm sure there has been a post or two before that one that has needed to get flushed as well. I think moderating here at S-B has been fairly consistant for the 5 or 6 years we've been around.

As for some of us being able to edit or delete beyond a time limit? Up until recently, everyone was able to edit their posts without limit but a few, often when in the middle of "banter", would type something out and then remove or alter or delete - too easy to type and not take responsibility for it. So, after 5 plus years, we had to limit the edit feature. Kinda sucks for the majority of people that a few screwed that up.

As for when you have questioned the mods, there have been a few instances where we could not edit a spot name fast enough, or shucks darn, we missed one or remove a post fast enough so we apparently sucked for not being quick enough on the trigger and there have been other times when you knock us for having the need to edit or delete at all - so damend if we do damned if we don't.

[Saltheart]

n : a person who tries to please someone in order to gain a personal advantage

Hmm , not sure if you are applying that term to me or yourself.

If you are applying it to me , please let me know who I am trying to please and what I might possibly have to gain?

If you are applying it to yourself , you are not fitting the description. You are not pleasing anyone here.

Around here , you are known as the guy who is jealous of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&. You behave like a jealous high school girl. Jealousy may be cute when displayed by a teeny bopper but when a grown man is so obviously jealous of another fisherman , its ugly and I'm embarassed for you.

[Sea Dangles]

John,I never said any of you sucked.These are your words not mine.I have too much respect for you to say that or even imply it.But if you choose to use hyperbole to make me look worse that is your right.I think you are taking this thread a little too personally.Happy Holidays!!Saltheart,you should learn to speak for yourself instead of speaking for a supposed group.We are all individuals with our own opinions,if we were all the same this board would be boring.Judging from the response to my last few postings and the p.m.'s I received some people actually do enjoy what my opinion is.Your response indicates a lack of humor or understanding to the joke I made at your expense.Get well soon.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

John,I never said any of you sucked.These are your words not mine.I have too much respect for you to say that or even imply it.But if you choose to use hyperbole to make me look worse that is your right.I think you are taking this thread a little too personally.Happy Holidays!!Saltheart,you should learn to speak for yourself instead of speaking for a supposed group.We are all individuals with our own opinions,if we were all the same this board would be boring.Judging from the response to my last few postings and the p.m.'s I received some people actually do enjoy what my opinion is.Your response indicates a lack of humor or understanding to the joke I made at your expense.Get well soon.

Making the jokes at other's expense when both sides are not engaged in "friendly banter" is the problem. Friendly banter assumes both sides are bantering freindly. Taking shots at someone, at their expense, is not friendly banter, nor is it opinion.

As for hyperbole? Nahh, several times you have called us out to edit something super fast, and other times we slammed for over editing. It's not like you have done this everyday but it has happened a few times.

As for opinion, state your opinion, but not at the expense of others. If your opinion is "this guy is an ass" don't start a pissing contest. If your opinion is something about fishing, post it. Think it out, say what you want to say, and support it. But don't make a joke at my expense (especially when the joke isn't funny) and expect me to haha about it... And don't do the same to others. It just doesn't make any sense. I've seen you what, a half dozen times in person? We get along OK. Not like we're best pals or anything but we talk, right? Then why is this translation problem happening when we type instead of when we talk ??

Tell you what, I'll present the olive branch this time - sincerely. Don't be over critical of people and relax a bit, I'll be less critical and relax a bit. I just don't think we - you and me - should be so damn critical... How's that ??

[Sea Dangles]

John,we don't have any problems that can't be resolved over a beer.Hyperbole is exaggeration to make a point such as you acusing me of saying you suck.No one is perfect,especially me and I welcome constructive criticism even if at times it's a bitter pill.
People have different ideas of what's funny and what's not.Notice the responses that followed my joke.As far as I am concerned when Saltheart decided to throw in his 2 cents then he is fair game to any and all dialogue.Otherwise he could just p.m. me.BTW Saltheart,would you care to share the p.m.I received from #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& and forwarded to you with the board?I suggest in the future you speak for yourself.
This could probably go on for a while seeing it's winter but I'm done and will schedule two visits a week with my therapist instead of one for the forseeable future.

[eelman]

What I said privatly to chris, I will share here. Basically, whatever is going on here certainly does not involve me. I dont like the fact that Saltheart made the comment he did and using my name in there. There was no need for it and I dont want to get sucked in to some stupid board flame session That I have nothing to do with. My best intentions seem to somehow blow up constantly so, I have made a personall choice to stay away from the board for just the reasons that I clearly see in this post. Posts here seem to become extremely anal ! You cant post your "opinion" without it being turned into a flame war. You cant post advice because then "your a know it all" If god forbid you forget to add a smile face someplace to somehow indicate your "joking" there will be hell to pay !

I have always been confident in what it is I do. Sure, there are others here who have the same confidence in what they do, I dont fault that. Some people just dont want to listen to what others have to say no matter what the case may be, they will find a way to twist it around and make the guy look like jerk. I have in the past been guilty of this also, I am certainly no saint but, at some point you just have to stop and look at it and say it isnt worth the time or effort.

An example may be a simple question like: "whats the best way to hook an eel" then, someone answers, suddenly that answer is no good ! the person who ansewerd it is picked apart to the bone, he responds angry and the whole mess starts. After awhile you just say forget it? It makes it hard to answer someone becasue you know what coming ! Questions like that, I have a tendency to answer very matter of fact, that comes accross as a "know it all" however like I said early, I have 22 years doing it and have had tremendous results so, I answer with confidence.Anyway you get the point. It isnt worth it.

Coiming back this year and getting myself involved with the board again has been a rollercaster experiance, there are many things I wish I could take back, there are also some I wont take back. I have met some nice people and some not so nice people, I have been followed, my friends have taken hits, I have been lied to, I have stuck my foot in my mouth, I took hits for posting pics of fish and it has been overall apparent to me that in the past couple of years things have changed dramatically. I have been parinoid as to what to say to whom? I have run into people from the board who have intentionally made there way to places I fish just to say "ha ha I found you" I have ZERO respect for that and, I will state matter of fact that I have never done that to ANYONE on this board even if at times I knew exactly where they were fishing. Lots of it is of course is my own fault and I know that but, not all of it. So I guess I have learned alot here about the "new way". For whatever I am and , this may come as a shock, I do like making friends but, Not the type that are just looking for something -or-info etc..Basicallly to use you.I have to say a guy like Clammer is someone who has become a friend in the true sense of the word! He asks for nothing just friendship, enjoys fishing and is comfortable to be around, Piemma is another example of someone I would call a friend as is his partner Bryan, doesnt ask for anything, fishes on an invite and is appreciative but again, these three guys are from a different era and they dont make them like that anymore.the difference is that I can tell these guys anything and be comforted in the fact that they wont be in my boots the next night.I dont fish as hard as I did 15 years ago, I realize I am not "old" but I have slowed down from when I was in my early 20s. I still love catching big bass but I wont kill myself anymore to do it, been there and done that. I enjoy more now being with steve or clammer and laughing all night and getting away from the every day stress of life.

I have met Chris and he was nothing but friendly to me so I cant say much more than that, I honestly dont feel he is jealous in any way. Evereyone has there "bored" moments. I have caused my share of crap over the years and I think sea-dangles has a long way to go before he catches me! So, everyone should cut everyone a break, life is to short and what does it all really mean anyway???

On one other note, I sincerly regret what happened between John and I on the board but its spilt milk ! That was coming for awhile and acually it needed to happen. He is however family and that comes before all else. He has a tough job here moderating this forum that he puts out there for everyone else to use and enjoy.

Enjoy this board and try to be nicer to each other and dont judge a book by the cover! There are some real good fisherman here and tons of knowledge! Use it the right way and everyone will be better off!

Bill