America spying on terrorists without court approval - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

striperman36 · 12-17-2005, 07:50 PM

We live in an increasingly threatened society. Threatened by idealists of various persuasions that will go to any extreme to undermine it for their own version of reality.
Where do you think we should draw the line in allowing the 1st amendment to apply?

spence · 12-17-2005, 08:43 PM

The line should be drawn at the law.

After 9/11 Bush would have been granted just about anything he asked for.

The moment we sacrifice the Constitution to the illusion of safety, we have lost much to the phantom of terror.

-spence

afterhours · 12-17-2005, 08:59 PM

we've also lost much to the REALITY of terror. btw-loved bushs first line of defense

Skip N · 12-17-2005, 09:06 PM

If this leads to rounding up and catching the terroists in this country i dont have an issue with it. I have nothing to hide so i could care less. Its not like they are going after me or joe average. they are going after suspected terroists to try and defend us from the radicals who want to kill us. I admit i dont know all the details to this topic, but if this leads to stopping another 9/11 or other terroist plots do it.

Bottom line for me is i have nothing to hide so why should i be worried. Its the radicals they are targeting not me so do what it takes to keep my family safe.

Raven · 12-17-2005, 09:24 PM

Do they deserve the same rights and protections we have as American citizens?
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well if they dont.....because they are not american citizens.......
then "we the people ->as Americans should be allowed more consideration......because of the circumstance...

"when" in the interest of national security something thats not related at all to terrorism is discovered......OTHERWIZE its just an convient excuse to spy on us AMERICANS... hell they can read the words on a dime from
a satelite over head.... drive by and read your voice vibrations off of your window glass....view the contents of your house with infa red,
track you to within ten feet by your cell phone number
and on and on and on....it goes
whats next? they're gonna decide what we should believe.
it is time to take a stand and not just be silent,,,
have you heard even one damn puplic official say
make sure to have a digital camera to take their picture
has any kid in america been told this when encountering a bad guy....no although some are using their cell phones...
America can do allot MORE than what their being allowed to...
i'll never forget 9-11
but i shall also never forget a little publisized story about this
scumbag that was protesting the display of an american flag post 9-11 that was visable from his apartment.....and nobody
thought... well GEE this sucker MUST be a bad guy....
and later on it was discovered that he was indeed a bad guy.
the lack of conectivity of all the dots....needs rapid improovement and i think the American people can do as good a job as the intelligence community if given half a chance or at least be contributers of clues and information.
just look at the sucess rate for america's most wanted and the lost kid electronic billboard which gets the whole american public INVOLVED and it should be EXACTLY the same for terrorism if not more so considering the consequences in both lives lost in 9-11 and the financial cost to america for not having been able to stop it in the first place.

Nebe · 12-17-2005, 09:53 PM

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security- Benjamin Franklin

Raven · 12-17-2005, 10:20 PM

the unknown Nebe.....

lurch · 12-18-2005, 07:15 AM

The founding fathers would leave this country if they were living here today and are currently rolling in their graves.

We have flaws but our flaws are less than other countries and we are the best country by on this planet far!

There is a fine line on spying on people in this country. As far as I am concerned it would take just a few mins to contact a judge for a wire tap approval and that judge will (hopefully) be able to make the right decision if there is probable cause for the wire tap.

The funny thing is that the 911 commision was bitching at the govt saying that they did not do enough "information gathering" to prevent the events of 911.

I dont like the fact that the members of congress are blaming this on bush as they were the ones who passed the patriot act laws, it is not about protecting the citizens but covering the members of congress asses and how they can line their pockets.

Raven · 12-18-2005, 07:45 AM

you triggered a memory.... someting like the mixer ball wrattling around in a almost empty spray paint can..... in my mind....this quote from the movie "the fugitive " Staring tommy lee jones and harrison ford.... Tommy Lee JONES yells: "i wanna Know what he had for breakfast "

Flaptail · 12-20-2005, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spence

The line should be drawn at the law.

After 9/11 Bush would have been granted just about anything he asked for.

The moment we sacrifice the Constitution to the illusion of safety, we have lost much to the phantom of terror.

-spence

Dead on the right answer Spence, the law.

stripersnipr · 12-20-2005, 06:45 PM

Bush fights Terrorists. Liberals fight Bush. My enemys enemy is my friend.