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Old 12-18-2005, 04:27 PM   #1
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Every right we lose because we fear terrorists is a victory for the terrorists. Guard your rights. Someday you will have none left.

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Old 12-18-2005, 04:40 PM   #2
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Every right we lose because we fear terrorists is a victory for the terrorists. Guard your rights. Someday you will have none left.
Exactly!

He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
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Old 12-18-2005, 06:04 PM   #3
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Every right we lose because we fear terrorists is a victory for the terrorists. Guard your rights. Someday you will have none left.
True, But how can people be pissed that we are spying on suspected terroists? They are not spying on you and me. They are spying on the scumbags who may be plotting to kill my family and yours next. The job of the government is propect its people, sounds like they are doing whatever they can to do so. Of course the media makes it sound like they are spying on anyone and everyone when in fact that is false. They are spying on people with suspected ties to terroism for crying out loud.
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Old 12-18-2005, 06:12 PM   #4
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The media never said that Skip.

The issue is, is it ok for the President to break the law just because they think it's for the good of the American people?

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Old 12-18-2005, 06:26 PM   #5
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And by the way, what makes you think that "They" are not spying on you and I? For all we know, the FBI, NSA or whomever, have hardware and software that comb the net with filters and any time keywords such as "President", "terrorist", or "bomb" are posted on some message board (such as this one) the "geeks" that John mentioned could very well be reading Your post, this post, or whatever post. If someone posts something that "They" deem as suspicious, or subversive, or "unpatriotic", do "They" then take the next step and begin tapping YOUR or MY emails and telephone conversations without obtaining a warrent ahead of time?
Just a thought...

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Old 12-18-2005, 06:34 PM   #6
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And by the way, what makes you think that "They" are not spying on you and I? For all we know, the FBI, NSA or whomever, have hardware and software that comb the net with filters and any time keywords such as "President", "terrorist", or "bomb" are posted on some message board (such as this one) the "geeks" that John mentioned could very well be reading Your post, this post, or whatever post. If someone posts something that "They" deem as suspicious, or subversive, or "unpatriotic", do "They" then take the next step and begin tapping YOUR or MY emails and telephone conversations without obtaining a warrent ahead of time?
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Well unless you have ties to Terroism you have nothing to worry about. If you start posting stuff regarding blowing up buildings and financing terroists then i'd be worried. Until you start doing that you have nothing to worry about so chill out!
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Old 12-18-2005, 06:31 PM   #7
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"The issue is, is it ok for the President to break the law just because they think it's for the good of the American people?"

Ok if thats the big question then i'm still ok with it. Like i said in my previous posts they are doing this to protect us from terroism, They are not doing this to pry into our lives. The only people this will affect are suspected terroists. What if this leads to preventing attacks in the U.S and abroad? How the hell can anyone be against that? And its obvious the intensions of this are to protect the American people. If you have to break the law to protect my family from scumbags go right ahead i'm all for it. Terroists should be the only ones nervous with this.
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