Rigged eels & rubber eels, Slug-gos, etc. - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

tlapinski · 01-31-2006, 10:45 AM

Bill, I wasn't arguing, just asking. I have meant to give the hook down method a try for some time, I just always forget and jam the hook in the way I'm used to doing it. I do like the idea, though, for when the eel begins to die and I need to add some action to it. With the hook pointing up, it comes in belly up and never catches.

eelman · 01-31-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tlapinski

Bill, I wasn't arguing, just asking. I have meant to give the hook down method a try for some time, I just always forget and jam the hook in the way I'm used to doing it. I do like the idea, though, for when the eel begins to die and I need to add some action to it. With the hook pointing up, it comes in belly up and never catches.

I know , no argument, just trying to help and explain, its really not rocket sceince but like I said I do think there are combinations of things that make one guy stand out with any method and sometimes there so simple there stupid. But please I am really not arguing I am just passionate about fishing eels and I am convinced its why I have some of the catches I have.

I know lately plugs are the in thing, I have no problem with that but, I do see people struggle and while they catch sometimes there is a period especially in rhode island where as steve has said and I agree "you can toss a plug till the paint comes off and not catch a decent fish" In rhode island thats from the time the herring dry up until the fall, sure you will catch now and then, mostly dinks but if anyone wants a good fish the eel cannot and will never be beat in my opinion.and to do it right there is certainly a skill involved without a doubt

Saltheart · 01-31-2006, 11:06 AM

Good stuff Bill!!

here's a few more ideas

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...read.php?t=687

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ead.php?t=1483

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ead.php?t=6997

Skitterpop · 01-31-2006, 11:16 AM

Balls....great responses....Thank you very much!

I`ve got a lot of experimenting to do this season.

Question: I would like to send Steve McKenna a small pkg. (no not anthrax) and heard he works at a bait and tackle....any help here?

I`ve got some 15" rubber eels and wanted to send him a couple in appreciation. Though #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&`s response about rubber eels might be how Steve feels but what the hay....there is a time and place for these bigguns.

Mike

eelman · 01-31-2006, 11:20 AM

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Balls....great responses....Thank you very much!

I`ve got a lot of experimenting to do this season.

Question: I would like to send Steve McKenna a small pkg. (no not anthrax) and heard he works at a bait and tackle....any help here?

I`ve got some 15" rubber eels and wanted to send him a couple in appreciation. Though #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&`s response about rubber eels might be how Steve feels but what the hay....there is a time and place for these bigguns.

Mike

I am not about to give out his addres but get them to someone at the MSBA or see us both at the MSBA show as we are putting on a seminar together.......and it should be very fun!

The shop is closed......

Saltheart · 01-31-2006, 11:21 AM

BTW , when I said live eels are easier , I mean they are easier to just put on a hook rather than rigging them. I am not implying that they are easier to fish. Just easier than rigging them.

eelman · 01-31-2006, 11:22 AM

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BTW , when I said live eels are easier , I mean they are easier to just put on a hook rather than rigging them. I am not implying that they are easier to fish. Just easier than rigging them.

yes they are, overall I dont see much difference in how many I catch with rigs-vs-live, I do like the hits on riggies!!!!!!! Bone jarring...

Skitterpop · 01-31-2006, 11:27 AM

Thanks #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&! Someone posted a bit back about the shop but I forgot....show sounds good....your seminar sounds great.

Thank you,
Mike

Saltheart · 01-31-2006, 11:31 AM

Bang!!! "HOLY $HIT!!!"

Goose · 01-31-2006, 11:48 AM

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s last post> Ok so there's eels and and there's slugo's which immate eels. How much can you emphsize live bait or dead bait for that matter... out fishing lures, thats a no brainer. Like slugo's or jigs knowing how to get your offereing to the bottem where they're at makes all the difference. If your furtunate to live near a rocky stretchs with ideal eelin conditions I think you'll out fish some cape guys who are throwin plugs mid summer. The way I see it is there's all types of different fisherman here, if you fish with same guys its going to take you a lot longer to get better bass #'s. If you can fish with one guy who shows you one thing you could have been fishin the rest of your life not knowing it. I agree there's tricks to everything under the right conditions, but IMo doesn't it break down to where you fish? The fish have to be there plain and simple. Isn't this why we often go through great measures to preserve what we worked for.

eelman · 01-31-2006, 12:02 PM

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#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s last post> Ok so there's eels and and there's slugo's which immate eels. How much can you emphsize live bait or dead bait for that matter... out fishing lures, thats a no brainer. Like slugo's or jigs knowing how to get your offereing to the bottem where they're at makes all the difference. If your furtunate to live near a rocky stretchs with ideal eelin conditions I think you'll out fish some cape guys who are throwin plugs mid summer. The way I see it is there's all types of different fisherman here, if you fish with same guys its going to take you a lot longer to get better bass #'s. If you can fish with one guy who shows you one thing you could have been fishin the rest of your life not knowing it. I agree there's tricks to everything under the right conditions, but IMo doesn't it break down to where you fish? The fish have to be there plain and simple. Isn't this why we often go through great measures to preserve what we worked for.

yes the fish have to be there and one way to find out is with a live eel. Eels work every single place a striper swims. I have had the same results on the cape as I have had in rhode island.The other way to know is by learning how to read water and structure and how bass relate to it, structure is structure weather it be a sand bar or trough or drop off on one of the cape beaches or if its a boulder strew shoreline in rhody, the difference being that on the cape you have constantly changing structure, one day there is a hole the next the sand fillis it in, in rhody what you see is what you get , boulders do not move.In that regard rhody has an advantage.The old days of daignault and the plug are gone, there isnt that much bait anymore.

I emphisize it so much becasue I am amazed at the people who just wont use it or try it and then complain at there lack of success. I am not stupid, if bass are crushing live bait in front of me I will toss on a plug but the reality is it doesnt happen aften. Its not that its just that its is smart! and isnt cacthing fish what one wants to do? It only makes sense to me to use what works...That in my opinion is not an "easy" fisherman but rather a "smart" fisherman......

I have nothing against other methods, if you want to toss a danny swimmer in rhode island in july and august your going to get exercise and thats it........

If a trohy bass is something you want, toss an eel...........

I gave you guys some real good tips here, hopefully you will try them, this may be your last year to do so....

Clogston29 · 01-31-2006, 12:15 PM

Bill, when fishing a rigged eel do you typically use a steady, medium speed retrieve with the rod action described above or do you pause as the you lower the eel to let it fall. I rigged up a few this weekend with my leftovers from last year. They're on the small side but should be good with spinning tackle, I'll do up a few larger ones when I can get eels again in the spring. Thanks

eelman · 01-31-2006, 12:18 PM

I sharply lift the rod and then let it fall and repeat, then do it again, not fast not slow just steady, usually the fish takes on the way up thats why the hits are so hard

shadow · 01-31-2006, 12:38 PM

this is a good thread I will have to start to chuttyhunk my live eels now I always wondered way sometimes my eels would roll as they started to die off or weeken.Can always learn something new.

vineyardblues · 01-31-2006, 01:45 PM

Good reading today

Thanks

Bill quick question on your Cutty eel rigs .
How the LL do you get that hook down the eels mouth so far?

Thanks in advance
VB

Skitterpop · 01-31-2006, 01:51 PM

VB Hey man...we await the master`s answer

Long shank Gamakatsu live bait Octopus straight 4X ?

Pt.JudeJoe · 01-31-2006, 05:54 PM

Another option is the eel bob.With this you use the back 8 inches of a dead eel and have a 1 oz. lead head on the front.You get the smell and feel of a real eel and can put it where you want in the water ,even on rough nights it will get down where you want it to be. http://tattoostackle.com/eelbob_dz.php
This is a good bit of literature on the eel bob on Tattoo's site , by DZ. These are pics of the eel bob and the Wobble Head swim plates or "tin squids" as they were called in the old days. You rig the second hook in the eel from the loop in the middle of the lure. This hook ,by the way, can point down.

eelman · 01-31-2006, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by vineyardblues

Good reading today

Thanks

Bill quick question on your Cutty eel rigs .
How the LL do you get that hook down the eels mouth so far?

Thanks in advance
VB

It goes in pretty easy acually, I pinch the eel near his head and the mouth opens nice and wide, Thats acually a short shank hook so it gets good and covered.

I dont like the octopus hooks because they are to thin and tear thru the eel to easily and have a longet shank than I like, to me, the Mustad 94150 6/0 is the best eel hook on the market. I sharpen my hooks to a needle point and they are just as sharp as gamis.....

They used to call that hook a "live bait" hook now they call it an "all around" still the same hook.

vineyardblues · 01-31-2006, 02:15 PM

Thanks Bill, "pinch the eel between his ears!" and he opens his mouth!
Just like @^%$&$&^*

lol

VB

Skitterpop · 02-02-2006, 07:16 AM

on the hooks somewhere you said you used big siwash then another the Mustad 94150 which is a O`Shaughnessy ringed bronzed extra short shank hook

Just trying to get stuff together for the new season and appreciate your info.

I think Steve M said he liked Gami all around and Octopus but you say no?

~~~~~~~ Honey I need about $200.00 for Slug-Gos, a variety of hooks, dacron,super glue, and yes those are eels in the freezer......

You two you should do a book together