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spence · 02-02-2006, 08:31 AM

You can debate the causes for Global Warming, but to ignore it and not prepare for coming changes to our way of life (like we all aren't) is beyond foolish.

The Administration by not even engaging in the Global discussion is doing great harm to our children's future. Clinton was in a position to do more, and should have...but that's last years news.

When blowhards like Rush Limbaugh proclaim that "God created the Earth so Man can't destroy it" I really can't believe what I'm hearing.

-spence

Nebe · 02-02-2006, 08:41 AM

ha, you should see my propane bill at work.. im going to have to raise my prices

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by spence

When blowhards like Rush Limbaugh proclaim that "God created the Earth so Man can't destroy it" I really can't believe what I'm hearing.
-spence

OK; I'm not about to defend that right wing whack job.. but...
having an education in Geology, you begin to appreciate the time scales at work... if every nuke was launched today, as a species we'd be gone... but in a million or so years.. check back... it'd be a different planet, but the Earth would still be there... there just would be a noticable lack of Homo sapiens......

Flaptail · 02-02-2006, 09:00 AM

Just get used to bending over for two more years.

BigFish · 02-02-2006, 09:19 AM

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Skip N · 02-02-2006, 09:38 AM

Tell the people in Moscow that global warming is in effect!

spence · 02-02-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

OK; I'm not about to defend that right wing whack job.. but...
having an education in Geology, you begin to appreciate the time scales at work... if every nuke was launched today, as a species we'd be gone... but in a million or so years.. check back... it'd be a different planet, but the Earth would still be there... there just would be a noticable lack of Homo sapiens......

Yea, but that's not his point.

The religious argument is that man isn't going to do such damage as to make the Earth inhospitable...and even if we do it's all moot when rapture happens...

-spence

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 09:45 AM

I understand...
thats why I said I wasnt trying to defend him...
thank you for making it clear....

Skip.. spoken like someone who doesnt believe global warming without understanding it... there is alot of evidence that while the worldwide global temperature will rise, some areas may get colder...
again, though looking at one year is not global warming, you need to look over decades and centuries of trends.....

Pete_G · 02-02-2006, 09:56 AM

There been some great programming on this topic lately on Discovery. SOMETHING is happening out there, evidenced in particular in the areas of the North and South Pole. Life is changing there.

The cause? Certainly open to debate (sort of), but as a rule I always look for the most obvious answer, and that would be human influence. It's possible the Earth is gettting warmer from natural causes as well, but my money is on us, or a combination of the two. The risks are too high to bet against it.

Steve K · 02-02-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I understand...
thats why I said I wasnt trying to defend him...
thank you for making it clear....

Skip.. spoken like someone who doesnt believe global warming without understanding it... there is alot of evidence that while the worldwide global temperature will rise, some areas may get colder...
again, though looking at one year is not global warming, you need to look over decades and centuries of trends.....

Well said. Too many people spout off about something they know very little or nothing about. 2005 was the warmest year on record.

Flaptail · 02-02-2006, 10:21 AM

The earth's axis is reorientating itself as it it wont to do so many thousand years or so. New tilt, newe conditions all the way around. The earth undergoes changes through time. Ice ages, inland seas now Mountain ranges, tropical forests now barren deserts. I do not understand how anything can be so obvious yet so many are blind to it? Nothing remains the same yet we humans believe, in our minscule inhabitation of this planet that we can figure it all out or can come up with a cause which is really just the natural evolution of not only plant and animal species but of the very planet itself. Constant and continual change in the life experience of a planet.

RIROCKHOUND · 02-02-2006, 10:52 AM

Flap:
The problem is that all of those happen on geologic time scales, and we can't readily observe alot of these changes.
Axis/orbit length/orbit ecentricity are all part of the Milankovich cycle; which have periods of 23K yrs, 41K yrs, 100/400k yrs...

ice ages (glacial/interglacial) is generally on the order of 100k... i.e the last glacial max was ~20K BP, before that there was a long warm period ~75K yrs...

All of these are longer time scales than greenhouse gases, increased heat absorbtion (all that black-top) etc....

But you're right... there is change going on constantly.... most people dont appreciate it or grasp it....

Skip N · 02-02-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I understand...
thats why I said I wasnt trying to defend him...
thank you for making it clear....

Skip.. spoken like someone who doesnt believe global warming without understanding it... there is alot of evidence that while the worldwide global temperature will rise, some areas may get colder...
again, though looking at one year is not global warming, you need to look over decades and centuries of trends.....

I think most people think of Global warming as the entire world getting warmer. This might be a dumb ass question but if the world is warming why whould some areas get colder? On the surface it doesnt make sense. Just an honest question.