It's time to..........

[spence]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

What the F*&^ is Bush waiting for?

The Hispanic vote

-spence

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by spence

The Hispanic vote

-spence

Spence hit the nail on the head. You didn't see Clinton addressing the problem either - nor do you see any Dem's pushing real shut-offs now. They are all afraid of losing the votes of the fastest growing population in this country.

We need guys on both sides of the aisle to get some guts and address this head on together. Throw out all criminal - illegals ("crim-aliens" as one of my favorite conservative talk show hosts calls them) and cut the flow off 100% now.

Instead we have Massachusetts using your tax $$ to pay for the education of illegals there. Give me a break!

I think Senator McCain is the best choice to get this job done.

[Pete_G]

This country is isolationist where it shouldn't be and isn't where it should. Close the borders...

[Raven]

Originally Posted by JoeP

. Throw out all criminal - illegals ("crim-aliens" as one of my favorite conservative talk show hosts calls them) and cut the flow off 100% now.

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OK here's a MAP of the USA proportionally with Massachusetts copied and pasted into the state of California 10 times
and there's room for a couple more ...I did this to give you
some perspective of HOW BIG california is... for those that have never been there i think its difficult for them to comprehend it's size.

[Raven]

Among the members of the board i have a unique perspective in that i've worked side by side with illegal aliens.... day in and out for many years ok... i understand them perfectly... i have even smuggled them to L.A. too, many years ago.... just to get by....it was either that or starve. I've had a hard life you might say. but I'm a tough old bastard.
I've raised my shotgun in the air and fired it sending twenty or more
on their way too! when i discovered their camps at maximum risk to myself, but
not knowing them (at all) i couldnt take the chance over night.
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there is no friggan way to eliminate the use of illegal aliens in our present day agricultural system because it is to reliant on them for the planting and harvesting of the crops. If we did it would cause a much bigger problem than we already have...although i agree with some of what Jay Severin says... he's clueless as are many democrats in massachusetts as to how dependant we are on them
to work in the fields harvesting our food crops each year because Americans simply won't do the job's themselves. Most Americans are to lazy to grow even a single tomatoe bush ....

[Raven]

the reason the drugs are such a lucrative buisness is because of their
illegal status... which bumped up its intrinsic value almost ten times.
in the early 70's you could buy an ounce of marijuana for 10 bucks
in sandiego california. Now that price has escalated to $100 -$ 500
depending on what it is... but it's the same old crap.

So if you legalized it.....you let all the air out of that profit baloon
and then its simply not worth smuggling anymore. Now i dont suggest we do that with all drugs.... just marijuana... because it's less harmful (compared to tobacco for one and safer than alcohol too when your behind the steering wheel)
than the media or government will admit and then that will again open the doors to the growing of the non- drug variety hemp for fiber, paper , tons of by products....
and most importantly bio deisel production from the oils found in the seeds themselves. The taxes applied to its sale would easily pay off the national debt in no time... we have the tobacco model to use for its control and regulation...
all the other drugs i think should remain illegal. the borders need
attention because of terrorists entering america...not mexicans.
they are more resourcefull than americans ...the imigration (known as the meegra) would
round them up and take them back to mexico and the next afternoon they'd be back with big smiles on there faces. its just way too easy.

[ThrowingTimber]

An imposed tax woud be like imposing a tax on folks who grow tomatoes in their home gardens. Very hard to keep track of everyone growing, difficult to tax, and if the tax was voluntary no one would pay it any ways. Dont go getting all pissy about drugs guys, if the demand were'nt HERE the product would not be moving. Not saying its right just expressing a dif. view. Carry on.

[spence]

Raven, we both know the solution to illegal immigration is in carbon fibre nano-technology

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

An imposed tax woud be like imposing a tax on folks who grow tomatoes in their home gardens. Very hard to keep track of everyone growing, difficult to tax, and if the tax was voluntary no one would pay it any ways.

But How many americans actually grow there own tomatoes, most go to the supermarket to buy them. They don't want to take the time, or have the patience, to do that.

Take beer for example everybody can make it tax free at home, but most people would just rather run to the packy and pick up a case....and pay the tax in the process.....than to take the time to make it themselves.

The tax would have to be mandatory, and knowing the government, it would be. Just like it is on Alcohol, tobacco, and Gasoline.

Unfortunately Americans are always in a hurry to be lazy.

[SAXATILUS]

So if you legalized it.....you let all the air out of that profit baloon
and then its simply not worth smuggling anymore. Now i dont suggest we do that with all drugs.... just marijuana... because it's less harmful (compared to tobacco for one and safer than alcohol too when your behind the steering wheel)

Raven for President

[cheferson]

Working in restaurants my whole life ive worked with many hispanics,some legal, and alot that were not. I have no problem with them working in my country legal or not. After talking to them about their diffucult journey here to the states, i have even more respect for them. Theres a great documentary on this called Chasing El Norte. You wouldnt believe what they go through-gangs robbing them, raping there women, the amount of $$$ paid to smugglers to get them accross the border. All they want is a better life for there families and them selves. Then once here there paid sub-standard wages for menial jobs most LAZY americans want nothing to do with anyway. If i had to chose between working with a bunch of lazy american high school kids or illegal hispanic workers, id take the hispanic workers every time. Americans work ethic is non-existant. One of my best friends is hispanic, he came here illegally 9 years ago and started work as a dishwasher. Now he is a sous-chef at a busy gourmet market/deli, speaks fluent english,has a family w/2 kids, has 2 cars, and now is a legal american citizen and pays taxes. Also i fail to see how illegal imigrants tax the welfare system? Ive never known any illegal hispanic that got ANY public assistance. Most hispanics ive known personally work 2-4 jobs, pulling 100+ hours a week.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

The Hispanic vote

-spence

Damn you Spence i have to agree with you on this one! There's no question about it. This is one of the few things i dissagree with W on. The Hispanic vote yes, and he will be grilled as a racist. Just look at the minutemen down there trying to patrol the border and help out. They are ripped apart by Hispanic groups and called racists on a daily basis.

But, the Dems will never do anything either. They would be even worse on the border issue. They'd probably open 'em up and let eveyone come in! I believe W is sending more border guards down soon. Its something, but it really wont help the overall situation much.

That worker exchange program could be a good idea...sounds kinda risky but it might be worth trying. But if the borders arent shut it makes no sense i guess to go ahead with that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

But, the Dems will never do anything either. They would be even worse on the border issue.

Given that Bush has done nothing, while 9/11 was supposed to have "changed everything"...

...I really can't imagine the Dems doing worse.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Given that Bush has done nothing, while 9/11 was supposed to have "changed everything"...

...I really can't imagine the Dems doing worse.

-spence

I guarantee you that if W came out and said i want to build a fence on our border the Dems would go nuts....they are oh so predictable!

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I guarantee you that if W came out and said i want to build a fence on our border the Dems would go nuts....they are oh so predictable!

I'm WAY more Jackass than Elephant and I'd have NO problem constructing an Imperatrable Wall with ARMED Watchtowers around the entire country. I'm serious.
Probably the only difference between me and some Reps, is that I'd be willing to raise taxes to pay for it rather than cut fuel assistance and medical benifits.

[Raven]

that would be like trying to stop people entirely from going to
all of the new england seashore....could they errect it....yes
would it stop us ---absolutely not.....
i'd steal what ever i had to
to drive right through it
and so would you....
so it doesnt make any sense to
talk fences....its hog wash...
still...it keeps getting proposed.
rediculous
the mexicans are growing weed
in our national parks now instead
of importing it... remove the profitability
and end of smuggling.... and there's only
one way to do that.
prohibition wont work anymore than it
worked for alcohol...look at the violence
that went on while alcohol was illegal.
Just heard a story ( RUMOR has it) that
twenty dudes at Bose just got fired as all of them
were using the same social security number.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

I'm WAY more Jackass than Elephant and I'd have NO problem constructing an Imperatrable Wall with ARMED Watchtowers around the entire country. I'm serious.
Probably the only difference between me and some Reps, is that I'd be willing to raise taxes to pay for it rather than cut fuel assistance and medical benifits.

Im not saying Dems like yourself. The ones in office will NEVER go for a fence. Thats not even debatable! We all now how the dems work, If Bush proposes an idea they shoot it down. Same thing would happen with a fence.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Im not saying Dems like yourself. The ones in office will NEVER go for a fence. Thats not even debatable! We all now how the dems work, If Bush proposes an idea they shoot it down. Same thing would happen with a fence.

We sometimes tend to confuse good Democrats with the far Left aspect of the Democratic party. It does seem though the far left has a much louder voice than the vast majority of moderate Democrats and you can be sure they will be against any and all Republican action on border security.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

I'm WAY more Jackass than Elephant and I'd have NO problem constructing an Imperatrable Wall with ARMED Watchtowers around the entire country. I'm serious.
Probably the only difference between me and some Reps, is that I'd be willing to raise taxes to pay for it rather than cut fuel assistance and medical benifits.

I think a lot of Democrats think that way as well.

Then again, I think more and more people are becoming like me.

Public Enemy said it best almost a couple decades ago, "neither party is mine, neither jackass nor the elephant"...

[Joe]

Orginally posted by Raven
"in the early 70's you could buy an ounce of marijuana for 10 bucks
in sandiego california. Now that price has escalated to $100 -$ 500"

If anybody knows where I can get an O-Bag for a $100 please pm me.

[fcap60]

Yep, It's winter all right and we all have issues !!