It's time to..........

[Raven]

Originally Posted by JoeP

. Throw out all criminal - illegals ("crim-aliens" as one of my favorite conservative talk show hosts calls them) and cut the flow off 100% now.

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OK here's a MAP of the USA proportionally with Massachusetts copied and pasted into the state of California 10 times
and there's room for a couple more ...I did this to give you
some perspective of HOW BIG california is... for those that have never been there i think its difficult for them to comprehend it's size.

[Raven]

Among the members of the board i have a unique perspective in that i've worked side by side with illegal aliens.... day in and out for many years ok... i understand them perfectly... i have even smuggled them to L.A. too, many years ago.... just to get by....it was either that or starve. I've had a hard life you might say. but I'm a tough old bastard.
I've raised my shotgun in the air and fired it sending twenty or more
on their way too! when i discovered their camps at maximum risk to myself, but
not knowing them (at all) i couldnt take the chance over night.
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there is no friggan way to eliminate the use of illegal aliens in our present day agricultural system because it is to reliant on them for the planting and harvesting of the crops. If we did it would cause a much bigger problem than we already have...although i agree with some of what Jay Severin says... he's clueless as are many democrats in massachusetts as to how dependant we are on them
to work in the fields harvesting our food crops each year because Americans simply won't do the job's themselves. Most Americans are to lazy to grow even a single tomatoe bush ....

[Raven]

the reason the drugs are such a lucrative buisness is because of their
illegal status... which bumped up its intrinsic value almost ten times.
in the early 70's you could buy an ounce of marijuana for 10 bucks
in sandiego california. Now that price has escalated to $100 -$ 500
depending on what it is... but it's the same old crap.

So if you legalized it.....you let all the air out of that profit baloon
and then its simply not worth smuggling anymore. Now i dont suggest we do that with all drugs.... just marijuana... because it's less harmful (compared to tobacco for one and safer than alcohol too when your behind the steering wheel)
than the media or government will admit and then that will again open the doors to the growing of the non- drug variety hemp for fiber, paper , tons of by products....
and most importantly bio deisel production from the oils found in the seeds themselves. The taxes applied to its sale would easily pay off the national debt in no time... we have the tobacco model to use for its control and regulation...
all the other drugs i think should remain illegal. the borders need
attention because of terrorists entering america...not mexicans.
they are more resourcefull than americans ...the imigration (known as the meegra) would
round them up and take them back to mexico and the next afternoon they'd be back with big smiles on there faces. its just way too easy.

[ThrowingTimber]

An imposed tax woud be like imposing a tax on folks who grow tomatoes in their home gardens. Very hard to keep track of everyone growing, difficult to tax, and if the tax was voluntary no one would pay it any ways. Dont go getting all pissy about drugs guys, if the demand were'nt HERE the product would not be moving. Not saying its right just expressing a dif. view. Carry on.

[spence]

Raven, we both know the solution to illegal immigration is in carbon fibre nano-technology

-spence

[Raven]

when you replace steel with something ten times as strong
with a much thinner diameter then you can make many new things.
the mexicans are the most ingenius race of people on earth next to the japanese....and both have belief systems that hold back their progress...but thats their history. The problem is....were not making the terrorist situation their problem. if we made finding terrorists the M13 gangs buisness (with rewards) then no terrorist would dare set foot in america.

personally i get really fired up as you may have noticed about this whole issue..mainly because they lump to many things together
into a shepards pie that eventually becomes to complex to discuss rationally.

They desperately need to divide and conquer the individual problems. YOU say pot it becomes drugs you say drugs it becomes
the smuggling at the border you say border it becomes an issue of terrorists entering America and then it goes round and round like water going down a toilet never to be seen again....

[SBASS1]

Before the current fences went up the illegal workers went home to mexico. It was that easy to get in and out. Now with the fences and the cost to get into the country (ie. smuggling or a walk thru the desert) The Illegals STAY HERE! That is why we have the problems that we do...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

An imposed tax woud be like imposing a tax on folks who grow tomatoes in their home gardens. Very hard to keep track of everyone growing, difficult to tax, and if the tax was voluntary no one would pay it any ways.

But How many americans actually grow there own tomatoes, most go to the supermarket to buy them. They don't want to take the time, or have the patience, to do that.

Take beer for example everybody can make it tax free at home, but most people would just rather run to the packy and pick up a case....and pay the tax in the process.....than to take the time to make it themselves.

The tax would have to be mandatory, and knowing the government, it would be. Just like it is on Alcohol, tobacco, and Gasoline.

Unfortunately Americans are always in a hurry to be lazy.

[Raven]

but the demand isnt going anywhere....

its here to stay...it's human nature ...not politics..
unless your gonna electroprod ( ECT electroshock)
the the whole population into compliance....
for every bad habbit they have.
theres more americans addicted now to prescription drugs
than illegal ones.... we've become a country of druggies
and the farther we move away from self -agriculture the worse
we'll get.
Soon they'd be saying
hey ya know ...you fish too long! too hard !and to often......


christ thats the mentality if a replacement drug doesnt work...
if you dont believe me...heres a link to being electroshocked for
snoring no less...
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadge...per-039824.php

better fences are not the answer..either really
because they'll find a way...
just look at the cubans making boats out of pickup trucks...
that willpower is unstopable

electronically though we might be able to authenticate
people to the point we can achieve some control

but like a suggestion (proposed idea) i just read about....i was horrified
to contemplate this...concerning barn yard animals
being retrofitted (implanted) with a rfid tag so that proper identification
(theyre doing it with pets and cars and cell phones)
of all fowl could be controlled due to the threat of the bird flu
to which we have little or no resistance to.

we'll all have these tags implanted if this goes on.
we are already numbered!
with a SS tag
a phone number tag
a drivers license tag
a license plate tag
.a boat registration tag
....so whats next.... the body tag?

[Pete_G]

Sometimes Howard Stern makes a lot of sense. His solution is to shoot illegal aliens crossing the borders. You have to admit it would discourage most. Once word got out about a few shootings the border crossing would slow right down. Then again, Cubans risk their lives to get here all the time.

I'm just kidding btw, for the most part....

[SAXATILUS]

So if you legalized it.....you let all the air out of that profit baloon
and then its simply not worth smuggling anymore. Now i dont suggest we do that with all drugs.... just marijuana... because it's less harmful (compared to tobacco for one and safer than alcohol too when your behind the steering wheel)

Raven for President

[cheferson]

Working in restaurants my whole life ive worked with many hispanics,some legal, and alot that were not. I have no problem with them working in my country legal or not. After talking to them about their diffucult journey here to the states, i have even more respect for them. Theres a great documentary on this called Chasing El Norte. You wouldnt believe what they go through-gangs robbing them, raping there women, the amount of $$$ paid to smugglers to get them accross the border. All they want is a better life for there families and them selves. Then once here there paid sub-standard wages for menial jobs most LAZY americans want nothing to do with anyway. If i had to chose between working with a bunch of lazy american high school kids or illegal hispanic workers, id take the hispanic workers every time. Americans work ethic is non-existant. One of my best friends is hispanic, he came here illegally 9 years ago and started work as a dishwasher. Now he is a sous-chef at a busy gourmet market/deli, speaks fluent english,has a family w/2 kids, has 2 cars, and now is a legal american citizen and pays taxes. Also i fail to see how illegal imigrants tax the welfare system? Ive never known any illegal hispanic that got ANY public assistance. Most hispanics ive known personally work 2-4 jobs, pulling 100+ hours a week.