I told you they were a bunch of criminals

[MoroneSaxatilis]

By now everyone has heard that the guy that Cheney shot has run into complications. Apparantly, one shot either got lodged in his heart intially, or has migrated there, causing an irregular rythym or something (atrial fibrillation) that has been classified as a mild heart attack.
If it had been Ted Kennedy or Barney Frank Or Billy C that had shot someone, I doubt if the reaction from the media/entertainment world would have been any different. It's all umm...
*ahem*
...fair game.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by MoroneSaxatilis

By now everyone has heard that the guy that Cheney shot has run into complications. Apparantly, one shot either got lodged in his heart intially, or has migrated there, causing an irregular rythym or something (atrial fibrillation) that has been classified as a mild heart attack.
If it had been Ted Kennedy or Barney Frank Or Billy C that had shot someone, I doubt if the reaction from the media/entertainment world would have been any different. It's all umm...
*ahem*
...fair game.

I haven't been following this news story too closely, but "peppered with buckshot" as was reported by the ranch owner is whole lot different then having a piece of buckshot either in the proximity of your heart or migrating towards it and causing a heart attack.

It was an accident but it shouldn't be taken so lightly. The truth would be nice. You'd think they'd know that if it looks like they're hiding something people are of course going to be suspicious.

[sok]

[QUOTE=Pete_G]I haven't been following this news story too closely, but "peppered with buckshot" as was reported by the ranch owner is whole lot different then having a piece of buckshot either in the proximity of your heart or migrating towards it and causing a heart attack.

Maybe it was just shock?
A firearm being fired close to you but not by you (outside of a range when you expect it) really gets the adrenaline going.
(I know)
The guy was 78.
Bird shot out of a 28 gauge at 30 yds. 90 feet.
That's about the end of the effective range of a shotgun; isn't it?

[Nebe]

#^&#^&#^&#^& had a roast beef sandwich before the trip

can you believe that??

[zacs]

so if this dude croaks from complications can they charge #^&#^&#^&#^& with involuntary manslaughter?

[MoroneSaxatilis]

Originally Posted by Nebe

#^&#^&#^&#^& had a roast beef sandwich before the trip
can you believe that??

There is much controversy surrounding this issue. It's still unclear whether the sandwich was made with fresh or previously frozen roast beef, and whether it had mustard or mayo on it.
There are even reports surfacing now that it may not even have BEEN roast beef, but some sort of luncheon meat.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by sok

Maybe it was just shock?
A firearm being fired close to you but not by you (outside of a range when you expect it) really gets the adrenaline going.
(I know)
The guy was 78.
Bird shot out of a 28 gauge at 30 yds. 90 feet.
That's about the end of the effective range of a shotgun; isn't it?

I don't really know anything about guns other then paintball guns. If there's penetration near or into his heart though I'd have to say that he was in the "effective range" of the weapon.

My only point was the intial description of "peppering", in my view, implies lack of penetration versus what we have here, a BB possibly lodged in his heart and others elsewhere.

No one seems to have really discussed how badly he was hit. They mention face, throat and chest, but not much else. Now we learn there was clearly penetration and I just find it odd we didn't really know that before. And since you say that he was standing at the extreme end of "effective range" yet we have serious penetration, I can't help but be a bit suspicious of the reported distance. It's just my nature...

Again, I haven't been following this too closely, I may have missed a more accurate description of what took place that was released a couple days earlier.

[Raven]

will never be truly accurate....

what was said was... just after he fired....

ok -> this is what we're going to say happened...

and as far as penetration your exactly right because the pellet lodged in his heart had to go thru hunting clothing first...

what scares me is ...in the event we lost our current president...
this BOZO would be the commander in chief...

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by Raven

ok -> this is what we're going to say happened...

and as far as penetration your exactly right because the pellet lodged in his heart had to go thru hunting clothing first...

Good point. For a BB to go that deep with heavy clothing on it definitely requires some serious velocity.

[PaulS]

its the 2nd most important person in the US, shouldn't the American public be told? We had to hear about it 2nd hand. McClellan feels its ok for a private citizen to speak for the VP!!!

Its indicative of this administrations secretiveness and heavy handiness.

Doesn't anyone own a cellphone and couldn't they contact the police right away rather than wait 1 1/2 hours. If they know he was serious enough to be helicoptored to the hospital they should have called the authorities right away.

If they had a press conference and and told us there would be no story other than a few late night jokes.

Drs say he was hit with between 6 and 200 pellets.