The old "swivel through the tip". I hear ya, but generally I feel that swivel when it hits the tip. Plus I "know" when its getting close. Gotta have the "feel".
DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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