FLW Saltwater Striper Trail

[big jay]

If you are going to fish this thing - just remember how to answer questions at the weigh in -- no "it was a good day -let's see what she weighs" allowed.

All answers Nascar style - "Looks like we've got a good fish to weigh here, and the only reason this is at all possible is b/c I could only get to the fish with my mercury optimax powered hydrasport fueled with Texaco supreme and castrol motoroil. And even though I got the fish on a live eel - that was only possible b/c of the high quality yozuri plugs I normally fish, which I just know contributed to my overall success. That fish also couldn't possibly be landed without my sponsors high quality Gamakatsu hooks, seagur leader, and the mother of all high-tec fishing lines, Cajun red. Reel? - I'm sorry, had some miscommuncation with the home office this week, and just can't remember which one I was using. Lastly, thanks to helley hanson for giving me a raincoat, and the good folks at fruit of the loom for keeping the boys warm and cozy so I can concentrate on fishing."

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by big jay

If you are going to fish this thing - just remember how to answer questions at the weigh in -- no "it was a good day -let's see what she weighs" allowed.

All answers Nascar style - "Looks like we've got a good fish to weigh here, and the only reason this is at all possible is b/c I could only get to the fish with my mercury optimax powered hydrasport fueled with Texaco supreme and castrol motoroil. And even though I got the fish on a live eel - that was only possible b/c of the high quality yozuri plugs I normally fish, which I just know contributed to my overall success. That fish also couldn't possibly be landed without my sponsors high quality Gamakatsu hooks, seagur leader, and the mother of all high-tec fishing lines, Cajun red. Reel? - I'm sorry, had some miscommuncation with the home office this week, and just can't remember which one I was using. Lastly, thanks to helley hanson for giving me a raincoat, and the good folks at fruit of the loom for keeping the boys warm and cozy so I can concentrate on fishing."

That sounds like most of the guys on this site when they talk about thier high end gear and custom plugs! So whats the differance i ask you?

[Basser]

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily...9/d01sp122.htm

[Basser]

http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/head...advertisin.ap/

[Swimmer]

.......have suddenly become more important.

[Swimmer]

I hope they'll honor my request to be filmed from the left side, I take a much better shot from my left side.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I hope they'll honor my request to be filmed from the left side, I take a much better shot from my left side.

I think that the cameras will help cut down on potential cheating. Possibly being outed on national TV will slow down most people.

[Mr. Sandman]

http://www.digitalwav.net/download.a...=WSGreed%2Ewav

I think "greed" or "capitalism" as it is known helps keep prices down and creates new markets. I love it. If you want to particapate buy some shares of wallMart or HomeDepot Sure I support my local tackle shops but I don't see our local shops putting together a 500K bass tourney. Why should the FW guys get all the glory?

Also, while I despise shopping at Wallmart, I don't think they intent to make a ton of cash off the striper fishermen.

A 500K tourney in the Northeast...I think it is a good idea and pretty harmless. I may even try and talk FISHON and his Hydra-Sport into signing up! (with me as a "priority" fisherman.... )

What erks me is that some of you have a problem with a rec contest but no problem with comm fishing for bass? Doesn't that sound a little hypocritical to you? Where is the love?

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

http://www.digitalwav.net/download.a...=WSGreed%2Ewav

I think "greed" or "capitalism" as it is known helps keep prices down and creates new markets. I love it. If you want to particapate buy some shares of wallMart or HomeDepot Sure I support my local tackle shops but I don't see our local shops putting together a 500K bass tourney. Why should the FW guys get all the glory?

Also, while I despise shopping at Wallmart, I don't think they intent to make a ton of cash off the striper fishermen.

A 500K tourney in the Northeast...I think it is a good idea and pretty harmless. I may even try and talk FISHON and his Hydra-Sport into signing up! (with me as a "priority" fisherman.... )

What erks me is that some of you have a problem with a rec contest but no problem with comm fishing for bass? Doesn't that sound a little hypocritical to you? Where is the love?

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY< SANDMAN.

Lets get back on topic and stop gining Pete more reasons to discuss economics

[Skitterpop]

Out of the woodwork

[striperman36]

Excellent articles Pete G. A must read for anyone in business today.
In one word, it is greed or capturing as much share as possible, that drives any large organization.
My industry IT, has been suffering a similar fate, my consulting rates have fallen from a high of 400 per hour USD in 1997 to a 'suggested' rate of 66.50 in the same organization in that 10 years primarily due to globalization of partners. In most cases all but forcing the supplier of choice to be the offshore provider
Large firms like GE, SSBT, AIG, Marsh Mclellan, Fidelity, WalMart lead the shift of IT resources, primarily I believe to maintain proft margins while the cost of services to the retail customer continues to fall as the result of competition in the marketplace.
So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy? An interesting discussion for sure and one that seems to have no historical parallel, except perhaps in the later years of the Roman empire.

Bill

[Skip N]

Walmart employs LOTS of hard working people and pay them ok money for low skilled workers. They are not just minimum wage jobs. They employ lots of folks and provide steady jobs and tax money for towns. Of course alot of the Anti Walmart folks hate them because they are a non union organization. Wich is mainly why i like them becuase i'm not a fan of Unions! The best story is the city of Chicago rejected to have a walmart in the city, so walmart built about a mile outside the city and that town is getting ALL the tax money and Chicago gets nuttin! So not only did Chicago lose money they lost a chance to gain hundreds of jobs for its residents. The anti walmart folks screwed the city of Chicago of millions of $$! Hope that was worth it!

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Excellent articles Pete G. A must read for anyone in business today.
In one word, it is greed or capturing as much share as possible, that drives any large organization.
My industry IT, has been suffering a similar fate, my consulting rates have fallen from a high of 400 per hour USD in 1997 to a 'suggested' rate of 66.50 in the same organization in that 10 years primarily due to globalization of partners. In most cases all but forcing the supplier of choice to be the offshore provider
Large firms like GE, SSBT, AIG, Marsh Mclellan, Fidelity, WalMart lead the shift of IT resources, primarily I believe to maintain proft margins while the cost of services to the retail customer continues to fall as the result of competition in the marketplace.
So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy? An interesting discussion for sure and one that seems to have no historical parallel, except perhaps in the later years of the Roman empire.

Bill

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. You're welcome to compare prices if you want, and maybe you should if you really feel we have high prices. If you're going to claim high prices back it up. No need for the attitude... You're welcome to take it to PM if you want to discuss it further if it's something personal.

Peter Graeber

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. You're welcome to compare prices if you want, and maybe you should if you really feel we have high prices. If you're going to claim high prices back it up. No need for the attitude... You're welcome to take it to PM if you want to discuss it further if it's something personal.

Peter Graeber

Its not personal. Your prices are on the high end, and I have compared pricing. I did not buy anything from your booth, nor do i plan on it. The guy, I dont know how it was, at your booth was brusque with me and my friend when we inquired about show specials, to the point it left a bad taste in my mouth. There are plenty o reasons why you feel the need to defend yerself i guess.

The other thing I find innappropriate is the constant referrals to your business, whether your a sponsor or not. This is an interactive website, and you do everything you can to get your business into the fracass, as far as im concerned. Im just stating an opinion, not fact here, and opinions are like ***holes, everyones got em.

Why you so defensive? I was taking odds at your trashing of walmart while identifying yourself as a business concern.

[squiddler]

And the baitshop you just moved next to has the same needlefish plugs(striker) for 2.00 less. theres yer backup. I'm sure you didnt think twice as to your location next to him, did you?

[FormerUser]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

Really?

I found all kinds of goodies at the show.No "specials" but what a selection of plugs.No more than you would pay anywhere else.

My understanding of this show is that it's a fundraiser.You shoulda bought some raffle tickets.You coulda won a custom Habs rod,an incredible yak or one of many Aquaskinz bags among other things.

I don't get it.You're just joking right and you forgot the smiley?Otherwise all you're doing is pissing on someone else's parade.

All I can say is fine show Pete.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Really?

I found all kinds of goodies at the show.No "specials" but what a selection of plugs.No more than you would pay anywhere else.

My understanding of this show is that it's a fundraiser.You shoulda bought some raffle tickets.You coulda won a custom Habs rod,an incredible yak or one of many Aquaskinz bags among other things.

I don't get it.You're just joking right and you forgot the smiley?Otherwise all you're doing is pissing on someone else's parade.

All I can say is fine show Pete.

Just to be clear so there's no confusion, the Conservation Raffle proceeds are 100% donated to whatever the cause or club is that given year. Raffle prizes are a combination of items we choose from the store as well as items donated by companies such as Aquaskinz and Habs Custom Plugs.

The shop is there selling things separately; hopefully covering the cost of the ballrooms at the hotel, LCD projectors, and the UHaul truck it took to get everything there, etc.

[FormerUser]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

Just to be clear so there's no confusion, the Conservation Raffle proceeds are 100% donated to whatever the cause or club is that given year. Raffle prizes are a combination of items we choose from the store as well as items donated by companies such as Aquaskinz and Habs Custom Plugs.

The shop is there selling things separately; hopefully covering the cost of the ballrooms at the hotel, LCD projectors, and the UHaul truck it took to get everything there, etc.

That I knew Pete.

I was just wondering why Squiddler has a problem with your shop prices.I find them no higher than anyone else's. And like I said the selection was incredible.You have the best plug selection of any shop within driving distance of my place and the prices are right.Can't ask for more than that.

[jim sylvester]

Quote:

Pete,
I think you did a great job with the show. Sqiddler must have overlooked the 50% off table. There were definelty some specials in there!!!

[FormerUser]

PUI?

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by striperman36

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

I completely agree, unfortunately.

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by striperman36

That's my point in reflection to the Romans. It appears at least to me we are on the downslope of the greatness of America as an economic, super, military, humanitary power and accelerating.

Why dont you guys move to an Arab country, for christ sakes. My brother is in Iraq right now, and for the protection of all your skinny white backsides. THis is the greatest country in the world, and will be for a long time. Its the whiners like you guys that drag the humanitarian side down, and in terms of economics, this country could buy the world ten times over. Walmart is part of this system of capitalism, which is part of the whole that lets us priveleged few chat on our expensive computers and buy our 300 dollar reels and 20 dollar plugs, etc. etc. etc.

Thats enough on the off topic subject of the decline of the western civilation and the correlation to the roman empire. Lets call a spade a spade here. You had retail prices at the show and you claim its to cover overhead, blah blah blah blah blah. You were makin money, plain and simple, and gettin a whole pile o advertising to boot. The fact that you admit the sales were seperate shows that your retail booth had nuthin to do with charity, plain and simple.

Again, stick to the topic of fishin and leave yer dime store politics/history lessons out of it.

Piss Piss Pisss, and no smiley face. You guys make me sick

[squiddler]

And btw, i give plenty to charity, but the ones i choose. I still think if someone comes and takes the time to go to the show, that there should be some show pricing, plain and simple. Im on a budget, and its tax season, and i wont use this stuff for another 2 months. That is why I buy some of my plugs at Walmart or online, cuz its an expensive sport, plain and simple.

Piss piss piss, and more piss

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

And btw, i give plenty to charity, but the ones i choose. I still think if someone comes and takes the time to go to the show, that there should be some show pricing, plain and simple. Im on a budget, and its tax season, and i wont use this stuff for another 2 months. That is why I buy some of my plugs at Walmart or online, cuz its an expensive sport, plain and simple.

Piss piss piss, and more piss

You are free NOT to come.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Why dont you guys move to an Arab country, for christ sakes. My brother is in Iraq right now, and for the protection of all your skinny white backsides. THis is the greatest country in the world, and will be for a long time. Its the whiners like you guys that drag the humanitarian side down, and in terms of economics, this country could buy the world ten times over. Walmart is part of this system of capitalism, which is part of the whole that lets us priveleged few chat on our expensive computers and buy our 300 dollar reels and 20 dollar plugs, etc. etc. etc.

Thats enough on the off topic subject of the decline of the western civilation and the correlation to the roman empire. Lets call a spade a spade here. You had retail prices at the show and you claim its to cover overhead, blah blah blah blah blah. You were makin money, plain and simple, and gettin a whole pile o advertising to boot. The fact that you admit the sales were seperate shows that your retail booth had nuthin to do with charity, plain and simple.

Again, stick to the topic of fishin and leave yer dime store politics/history lessons out of it.

Piss Piss Pisss, and no smiley face. You guys make me sick

A friend of mine is dead and my cousin's husband nearly lost his arm in Iraq, so I certainly understand what having people you care about overseas is all about. Do you really believe we're un-American if we're worried about the well being of our country?

Now, the Conservation Raffle. The SWE booth sits entirely separate from the raffle area. Raffle proceeds goes to whatever cause they go to that year, and normal SWE sales are normal SWE sales. I don't know how to say that more clearly or why you think it operates otherwise. I would think it would be fairly obvious. I'm not "admitting" anything as you put it. It just is what it is.

To be honest, at this point your post is libel.

Peter Graeber

[squiddler]

All right Pete, maybe my panties are in a bunch, and it had alot to do with your rep at the show.

But libel, cmon dude, settle down.

If it helps, I retract my comments in regards to your shop, and apologize openly for my anger.


Maybe you should be on this site as an end user instead of your obvious conflict of interest with your business.

You opened the door, I barged in.

If you notice, I clearly state that my opinions are just that, opinions. So libel is not even a close call here.

You asked for backup, I gave it to you, you are still whinin dude, still whinin, and im still pissin.