FLW Saltwater Striper Trail part 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

basswipe · 02-22-2006, 05:24 PM

I'm curious as to what the television exposure is going to be.Didn't see anything about a TV deal though I would imagine that info is forthcoming.

Also wondering who exactly are the "Pros".Anyone who has a boat and the entry fee?Seems like most these tourny trails require sponsorship to cover costs.

MoroneSaxatilis · 02-22-2006, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by basswipe

Also wondering who exactly are the "Pros".Anyone who has a boat and the entry fee?Seems like most these tourny trails require sponsorship to cover costs.

I would imagine that the "Pros" are just that. People who are professional tournament fisherman; ie: People whose primary sourse of income is derived from fishing tournaments.
Any ol' Tom, #^&#^&#^&#^& or Jane with a boat and an entry fee would not fit that criteria.

basswipe · 02-22-2006, 05:42 PM

I guess you're right about that.Tournament fisherman tend to look like race car drivers these days.

A pro/am might be in the future.Who knows.

Pete_G · 02-22-2006, 05:57 PM

I suspect a lot of commercial striper fisherman will be interested. The two big reasons being they're usually very good fisherman, and the prize money is a much better pay day then a week's worth of catching and selling stripers.

MoroneSaxatilis · 02-22-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete_G

I suspect a lot of commercial striper fisherman will be interested. The two big reasons being they're usually very good fisherman, and the prize money is a much better pay day then a week's worth of catching and selling stripers.

While it's true that the prize money would be a great incentive to enter, I don't think it would happen (I could be wrong). Even though commercial striper guys are professional fisherman, they're still not professional TOURNAMENT fisherman.
Most of the commercial guys I see out in Quicks', the Sound, etc, are in beat-up ol' boats that, while are in tip-top running shape, and as seaworthy as can be, could, to say the least, use a bit o' compound and/or polish. These guys aren't concerned that their boat might not be the prettiest at the marina/ramp.
Guys have been questioning whether or not the FLW striper tourney will be televised. Considering that they televise thier largemouth and redfish tourneys, I see no reason why they wouldn't televise the striper one. Even if footage ultimately never makes it onair, I'm certain there will be cameras along for the ride. I have a feeling that FLW wants to see established, professional tourney guys in brand new, shiny Genmar boats, not some local commercial dude with a 1986 Mako that he just hung a new motor on.

TwitchellCreek · 02-22-2006, 06:02 PM

I like North East angling the way it is. Sure, recreational angling is driven by business already, but we have our own culture, and I'd hate to see a FLW invasion, personally. I think Joe said it best earlier in Part 1 thread, FLW is for red states, and won't fly in the Northeast.

Please don't allow this to become another rant. I'm not speaking about economics and oversea labor, etc., leaving those variables aside, I like Striper Tourneys to be run by local clubs and shops.

Am I being naive?

Raven · 02-22-2006, 06:21 PM

i had cut a tree that didnt fall yesterday...and i needed some physical excercise....
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naive no.... not really

but i haven't seen one tv show on striper fishing that was catching fish other than schoolies... and although i think spots need to be protected....

i even wrote an email...to "ON The Water..."

i want to see screaming drags.... rod tips getting yanked around
by several runs.... and then a big ole cow safely and gently returned to the sea.

squiddler · 02-22-2006, 06:30 PM

Am I allowed to chime in on subject?

I don't understand why we as recreational fisherman don't embrace this as a way to introduce new people to the sport, have more fishing shows on TV to watch, and at the same time pumping money into our areas. This would be a big boon to local tourist dollars, not to mention local baitshops(These guys will enter these shops to get local knowhow and info) and hotels/restaraunts as well.
Exposure to our sport, with responsible, professional anglers showing the way on nationally televised segments will go a long way in introducing the masses to our sport. These kill tourneys really do no harm to the biomass, as they are limited in their scope and their frequency. I don't understand why its got to be made an economic or political thing simply because WalMart is the sponsor. I myself love watching the FLW on Sat., as well as the Oberto redfish cup. I wanna pose this question as well,... Would you feel the same if it was to be sponsored by a more identifiable or "nicer" sponsor. I just wonder if it is the idea of the tourney that bothers some, or the sponsor itself...

Basser · 02-22-2006, 06:38 PM

Actually Wal-Mart was forced into this (so to speak) years ago when BASS brought on K-Mart as a sponsor. The FLW Tour was started and sponsored by Wal-Mart to "protect" their portion of the tackle business.

basswipe · 02-22-2006, 09:29 PM

Its supposed to kick off this May.That's not all that far away.I would everything from TV deals,sponsors(other tan Walmart) and the anglers themselves are all established.

I would imagine that some of the anglers who fish all NSBA freshwatertournaments would take a stab at the salt.I know by checking out their site all you need to fish their tournies is to be a NSBA Competition member($40) have a boat and be able to pay the entry fee.

If it works like other fishing organizations maybe the best anglers from "amatuer" tournies are invited to participate.And through sponsorship will get nice shiny boats and new gear.

Obviously I'm just speculating on all this.Since I do have some time on my hands this week I'm going to give that information number in
the article a call and see if they can't send some detailed info.

JFigliuolo · 02-23-2006, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by squiddler

Am I allowed to chime in on subject?

I don't understand why we as recreational fisherman don't embrace this as a way to introduce new people to the sport, SNIPPED...

That's the MAIN reason I'm not crazy about it... The thought of MORE people fishing around me doesn't really sound all that great to me.

Pete_G · 02-23-2006, 09:02 AM

My understanding with the 12 year old girl is that someone guided her to that fish. It really wasn't luck, and a tournament like this will probably not allow anyone other then the registered angler to fish.

I know a lot of people said she deserved that win, and in that style of tournament it's fine I guess, but it's not going to fly in this sort of tournament. I doubt they will allow an angler to be "guided" to the fish. It's just not the way these tournaments work.

It's just my opinion, but watching charters go out through the years I can tell you a lot of the people that catch big fish on a charter would NEVER do so by themselves. It was the skill of the guide, not the client, and guides and commercial fisherman are exactly the sort of people I see getting involved in a tournament like this.

Pete_G · 02-23-2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

That's the MAIN reason I'm not crazy about it... The thought of MORE people fishing around me doesn't really sound all that great to me.

That's the main reason I have reservations too.

basswipe · 02-23-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

That's the MAIN reason I'm not crazy about it... The thought of MORE people fishing around me doesn't really sound all that great to me.

That certainly is a good point.

I don't think the impact on surf fisherman will be large.I doubt the exposure will bring the hordes out into the surf unless this was a surf tournament.I'm sure there will more boats at a given area after a tournament and especially after a TV episode.At the same time I'm sure charters will be up too.

Btw called that info# and wasn't given any info other than what's already been released.

TwitchellCreek · 02-23-2006, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by squiddler

Am I allowed to chime in on subject?

I don't understand why we as recreational fisherman don't embrace this as a way to introduce new people to the sport, have more fishing shows on TV to watch, and at the same time pumping money into our areas. This would be a big boon to local tourist dollars, not to mention local baitshops(These guys will enter these shops to get local knowhow and info) and hotels/restaraunts as well.
Exposure to our sport, with responsible, professional anglers showing the way on nationally televised segments will go a long way in introducing the masses to our sport. These kill tourneys really do no harm to the biomass, as they are limited in their scope and their frequency. I don't understand why its got to be made an economic or political thing simply because WalMart is the sponsor. I myself love watching the FLW on Sat., as well as the Oberto redfish cup. I wanna pose this question as well,... Would you feel the same if it was to be sponsored by a more identifiable or "nicer" sponsor. I just wonder if it is the idea of the tourney that bothers some, or the sponsor itself...

Forget about politics and economics. Let's just talk about our local striper fishing culture, the way I know it. When I want to know what is going on in the local community, I don't go to Walmart. Instead, I check in with the "salties" or "regulars" sitting around my favorite ma and pa shop. What is wrong with the way anglers are being introduced to the sport now? A big corporate sponsor is simply not necessary. Nowadays, people are introduced by their fathers and grandfathers. I believe that FLW or any other big corporate player will change the culture, and I'm flat out against it.

GBOUTDOORS · 02-23-2006, 02:34 PM

The frist tournament is out of Bass River Marina in May. I can't believe I see posts saying keep it away there may be another guy at MY fishing spot. I thought fishing was for all not just a few. And a tackle shop owner saying yes this is why he has reservations for the same reason? I think this could be a good thing for the sport if done right. I will wait and see what all the info is before I pass judgement on this.I don't see how this could ruin a spot as bad as a story in the Fisherman weekly or On The Water monthly mag. by someone just doing a story for a few $$$$$$$$$. I could be wrong but I just don't see it. The MV derby is great and what harm does it do to the local fishing? I bet the tackle shops and bars and fast food and gas stations and bed and baths hate it from Sept on with the derby going. And as far as fishing culture goes I am 51 this year spent lots of my childhood on Nashawena and Cuttyhunk islands fishing the surf then on boats as I got older and boy is it different now. Back then if you did not live on the islands you did not belong there. What if it was still that CULTURE now? I may think it great as I still belong there but do you????? Think not so fishing Cutty from shore would be only a dream to most. I think it is great out there now and have taken many from this site to Cuttyhunk for their fist time and hope to do the same SOON.

squiddler · 02-23-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchellCreek

Forget about politics and economics. Let's just talk about our local striper fishing culture, the way I know it. When I want to know what is going on in the local community, I don't go to Walmart. Instead, I check in with the "salties" or "regulars" sitting around my favorite ma and pa shop. What is wrong with the way anglers are being introduced to the sport now? A big corporate sponsor is simply not necessary. Nowadays, people are introduced by their fathers and grandfathers. I believe that FLW or any other big corporate player will change the culture, and I'm flat out against it.

All you mentioned is sponsors and economics in your comment on my quote. Maybe I missed something, sorry if that s the case.

What about all those kids that have no fathers or Grandads? I just think that by claiming it will infringe upon "our" or particular peoples fishing spots is sort of exclusionary. With responsible management and greater education on those involved, we can afford to have as many people who like to fish do so. I dont see this as an everyday, every port type tourney, and I see no harm in allowing our sport to be shared with the rest of the country. Maybe by getting more people involved, we as recs can put pressure on the managemnet and governing bodies to strengthen the stocks and increase conservation. More voices on our side just cant be bad imho.