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Originally Posted by Skip N

You dont get it. We let them do what they wanted to for years and they became breeding grounds for terroism...You guys have the pre 9/11 mentallity and its scary.

Skip, you have the pre-school mentality and it's scary

The notion we've let them alone is absurd and just plain wrong.

The entire ruling structure in the Middle East was put into place by Western post-colonial powers to ensure the flow of oil after WW2.

The CIA has TWICE disrupted the government in Iran, helping to overthrow a DEMOCRATICLLY elected leader in 1953 and propping up the Shaw in the 1970's who's secret police killed thousands.

We spend 5+Billion to help defeat the USSR in the 1980's, training future terrorists only to watch Pakistan insert the Taliban as a ruling power.

We have given the King of Saudia Arabia continued military protection for the past 50 years to ensure below market oil prices, while they've used the money and support to oppress their people and spread radical Islam and anti-western propaganda.

We supported Saddam/Iraq with money and weapons (including some WMD) to fight a proxy war with the USSR through Iran.

We've used the UN to shield Isreal, unfairly at times, from any International pressure for the past 30 years.

And on and on and on...

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skip, you have the pre-school mentality and it's scary

The notion we've let them alone is absurd and just plain wrong.

The entire ruling structure in the Middle East was put into place by Western post-colonial powers to ensure the flow of oil after WW2.

The CIA has TWICE disrupted the government in Iran, helping to overthrow a DEMOCRATICLLY elected leader in 1953 and propping up the Shaw in the 1970's who's secret police killed thousands.


We spend 5+Billion to help defeat the USSR in the 1980's, training future terrorists only to watch Pakistan insert the Taliban as a ruling power.

We have given the King of Saudia Arabia continued military protection for the past 50 years to ensure below market oil prices, while they've used the money and support to oppress their people and spread radical Islam and anti-western propaganda.

We supported Saddam/Iraq with money and weapons (including some WMD) to fight a proxy war with the USSR through Iran.

We've used the UN to shield Isreal, unfairly at times, from any International pressure for the past 30 years.

And on and on and on...

-spence

Yeah its all OUR fault. The muslims would be good solid folks if it wasnt for us damn Amercians. You still didnt mention what your plan for destroying and taking down terroists and terroists states are?

[striperman36]

Nastrodamus was right

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Originally Posted by Skip N

Yeah its all OUR fault. The muslims would be good solid folks if it wasnt for us damn Amercians. You still didnt mention what your plan for destroying and taking down terroists and terroists states are?

Skippy, if you get fat and your girlfriend tells you are fat...are you going to deny it, or reflect on the things that made you fat and alter your behavior so you don't get more fat?

Doesn't mean you can't have some ice cream, but the pizza and 6 pack dinners have got to go.

I remember reading in the late 1990's how radical Islam was actually on the decline around the world. The main sources of violence in Palestine and Chechnya had more to do with politics than religion.

To destroy terrorists we need to.

A - Lead by example - to spread democracy we need to abide by the rule of law ourselves, respect the dignity of human life and operate transparently and honestly as much as possible...to both the world and the American people.

B - Strive toward energy independence and a balanced budget to limit the influence of nations like Saudia Arabia and others.

C - Develop global coalitions to strengthen a unified position. China and Russia currently have more to gain from Iran's current leadership than if we initiated reform through military force.

D - When we do get a line on real terrorists, let the bullets fly.

The simple fact is that mass bombing and actions that seem to randomly dehumanize will create a net gain in the terrorist population. We need to extinguish the fire by cutting off the oxygen instead of fanning the flames...

Given the wheels that are in motion right now, Mike P may just be right...hold on.

-spence