Here it comes........

[spence]

Skippy, nobody is saying we should sit back and wait. But there's a middle ground between that and a liberal application of pre-emptive violence.

You do realize that the reckless and arrogant fools you defend are putting in place a militaristic and political structure for perpetual war don't you?

It's transformation through violence, and in their minds it just might work...

The ironic thing is that many like Cheney, Wolfowitz etc... are serious students of history...yet the historic precident for their actions isn't just absent, it's nearly a reversal of their expected outcome!

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Skippy, nobody is saying we should sit back and wait. But there's a middle ground between that and a liberal application of pre-emptive violence.

You do realize that the reckless and arrogant fools you defend are putting in place a militaristic and political structure for perpetual war don't you?

It's transformation through violence, and in their minds it just might work...

The ironic thing is that many like Cheney, Wolfowitz etc... are serious students of history...yet the historic precident for their actions isn't just absent, it's nearly a reversal of their expected outcome!

-spence

The blueprint for perpetual war is laid out as a directive very clearly in the Koran (look for yourself). Failure to prepare for that perpetual war will only lead us to become victims.

[spence]

Yep, and the Bible says to stone all the gays to death

All the more reason to pragmatically measure our actions. We can't win a militarized war against radical Islam.

There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who don't subscribe to Jihad.

-spence

[Raven]

let yee who is without sin cast the first stone....or was it misinterpreted and it should read: roll the first bone.

the tree of life was a psychadelic mushroom...

the funniest star trek joke was.... when the Saudi Prince
visiting America said to the captain of the enterprise ACTOR...

i very much like the television show star trek....
but i must ask you one question...

why is it that i never see any Arabic people in space?

the Captain hesitates ...then sadly replies
....because in the future there are none.

[Backbeach Jake]

What I've learned from 9/11, Skip is: If we hit them before they hit us, then that makes us them. I don't want to be them.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

What I've learned from 9/11, Skip is: If we hit them before they hit us, then that makes us them. I don't want to be them.

So i'm right....you'd rather have them set off a nuke in Chicago and then strike them. Rather than go on the offensive and protect the people of the US and save our citizens. Wow, thats some scary thinking. I;m sorry but that kinda thinking scares the %$%$%$%$ outta me. And no, you haven't learned a damn thing after 9/11. Your method will get us wiped off the planet by radical Islam. Thank god you will never be president

[bart]

you guys should save your energy, what has bitching on the internet ever accomplished?

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Skip N

So i'm right....you'd rather have them set off a nuke in Chicago and then strike them. Rather than go on the offensive and protect the people of the US and save our citizens. Wow, thats some scary thinking. I;m sorry but that kinda thinking scares the %$%$%$%$ outta me. And no, you haven't learned a damn thing after 9/11. Your method will get us wiped off the planet by radical Islam. Thank god you will never be president

Don't want the job.. My point is that we didn't take care of business after we were hit in NY. I think we went after BinLaden half assed. We had him cornered and let a bunch of tribal dolts and crooks go in for the kill in Tora Bora. Well, who woulda guessed that plan would fail? That mountain should be a lake now. I'll stand by my ideals: don't strike first, but when struck lower the boom from hell. if you don't do it that way, if you're always striking first, you only gain enemies, and they are always trying to destroy you. If they are destroyed AFTER they hit first, whoever is still standing might see the benefit in being an ally. Just my thoughts, do you realize that if we were both from the Middle East we'd be looking for blood simply because we disagree? The whole situation is schrod-up. Chicago?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

So i'm right....you'd rather have them set off a nuke in Chicago and then strike them. Rather than go on the offensive and protect the people of the US and save our citizens. Wow, thats some scary thinking. I;m sorry but that kinda thinking scares the %$%$%$%$ outta me. And no, you haven't learned a damn thing after 9/11. Your method will get us wiped off the planet by radical Islam. Thank god you will never be president

Skip, what planet are you posting this nonsense from?

-spence