the big lie.

[afterhours]

eben- with the exception of the wmd issue, i have to agree with some of your points, can't beleive i'm saying this- what's next coffee with spence?

[Backbeach Jake]

I see it, too. Today's Democrats are tea sipping poofs compared to those of my day. Weak, weak, weak. And selfish.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

I see it, too. Today's Democrats are tea sipping poofs compared to those of my day. Weak, weak, weak. And selfish.

They have no spine or ideas. All they do is bitch about Bush. Other than that they have nothing to offer. I have no clue what the heck they want or what they would like to do. Wich is fine with me becuase they will never win elections with no ideas and nothing but Republican bashing. Whenever Howard Dean or Al Gore opens thier mouth i laugh knowing its only helping Republicans. The Dems could do fine if they had some solid plans and ideas. The number one issue in this country is terroism, and every poll taken shows republicans crush Dems on that issue. Until they get thier act together on national security they will never win elections. They are fruitcakes on that issue. Just wait till Hillary runs in 08 and she gets smoked at the poles!

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Skip N

They have no spine or ideas. All they do is bitch about Bush. Other than that they have nothing to offer. I have no clue what the heck they want or what they would like to do. Wich is fine with me becuase they will never win elections with no ideas and nothing but Republican bashing. Whenever Howard Dean or Al Gore opens thier mouth i laugh knowing its only helping Republicans. The Dems could do fine if they had some solid plans and ideas. The number one issue in this country is terroism, and every poll taken shows republicans crush Dems on that issue. Until they get thier act together on national security they will never win elections. They are fruitcakes on that issue. Just wait till Hillary runs in 08 and she gets smoked at the poles!

Skip, we have found the middle ground! You're absolutely on the same page as I am here.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

Skip, we have found the middle ground! You're absolutely on the same page as I am here.

See that i'm not as much of a nut as you thought! I can be right sometimes

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

See that i'm not as much of a nut as you thought! I can be right sometimes

You are a squirrels delight all the way.... 100% nuts

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Indanite

You are a squirrels delight all the way.... 100% nuts

[TheSpecialist]

Eben where are you getting your facts about who is profiting off of Iraqi oil??

Also where did anyone say that Iraq, or the people of Iraq were the threat? As far as I know there was a proven terrorist link between Husseins regime and Al Quaeda. What was to stop Saddam from selling biological agents, weapons plans, components or bombs to Al Quaeda? Whether or not he had WMD"S, they knew how to make them, and knowledge is just as deadly as the product itself if given to the wrong hands.

Before you make blanket statements, back it up with some facts, links to sites or articles so we can judge for ourselves. As far as I am concerned your wolf crying is just a bad as what you are blaming the Adminitstration for. I did an internet search and could not come up with any hard facts that Exxon is profiting off of Iraqi oil. Saudi oil yes, Iraqi oil no.

I'll bet you are one of those guys who does'nt want to see the drug testing on animals even if it means a cure for cancer or aids huh?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Eben where are you getting your facts about who is profiting off of Iraqi oil??

Also where did anyone say that Iraq, or the people of Iraq were the threat? As far as I know there was a proven terrorist link between Husseins regime and Al Quaeda. What was to stop Saddam from selling biological agents, weapons plans, components or bombs to Al Quaeda? Whether or not he had WMD"S, they knew how to make them, and knowledge is just as deadly as the product itself if given to the wrong hands.

Before you make blanket statements, back it up with some facts, links to sites or articles so we can judge for ourselves. As far as I am concerned your wolf crying is just a bad as what you are blaming the Adminitstration for. I did an internet search and could not come up with any hard facts that Exxon is profiting off of Iraqi oil. Saudi oil yes, Iraqi oil no.

I'll bet you are one of those guys who does'nt want to see the drug testing on animals even if it means a cure for cancer or aids huh?

He has no facts, he wishes he had the facts but there's zip. Just like him saying Iraq had no wmd's when we all know Saddam slaughtered the Kurds using wmd's. And the entire world believed he still possesed them prior to the Iraq invasion in '03. Even Bill Clinton thought Saddam still had 'em. But they like to over look those tiny facts. And Saddam also supported terroism, like giving money to family members of Hamas suicide bombers. And giving aide to Al Zarquawi (sp?) after he was wounded in Afganastan Those are facts that the left just ignores because it undercuts thier arguments that Bush lied.


As for the abortion issue. Most people having abortions have not been raped, had incest or are getting them becuase the mothers health is in jeopordy. Thats another big lie....Most people having abortions are young women who got pregnant because they wernt using protection. And aborting the baby is just an easy way to not have to be responsible for the child. Its the easy way out. He knows this but uses the rape, incest stuff to sound more mederate. Abortions should be given as a LAST resort if the mother's help is at risk. Not becuase 15 year old jenny wanted to bang her boyfriend without using protection and then gets pregnant. There is no responsibilty in this country anymore. You get knocked up have the kid, dont kill it!

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Eben where are you getting your facts about who is profiting off of Iraqi oil??

As far as I know there was a proven terrorist link between Husseins regime and Al Quaeda. ******
****** Whether or not he had WMD"S, they knew how to make them, and knowledge is just as deadly as the product itself if given to the wrong hands.

******* Before you make blanket statements, back it up with some facts******

This is way off Bill......

[TheSpecialist]

Ok here is your intial statement, that we went in there for the oil, and Exxon is profiting from it.

iraq posesd no threat to the united states.. so what if they did have wmd's they were not going to use them to attack us. I can tell you what they did have- OIL. we tapped into it right away and bingo instant record oil profits for exxon mobile.

To me this statement reads the American gov., or Exxon is running the Oil fields, and directly profiting from it. This is a big difference from the instability in a volitile Oil market

[TheSpecialist]

Ok how about the Washington times:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2921-3401r.htm

how about this one:

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccart...0506290912.asp

some bullets from it:

The Clinton Justice Department's allegation in a 1998 indictment (two months before the embassy bombings) against bin Laden, to wit: In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.


Seized Iraq Intelligence Service records indicating that Saddam's henchmen regarded bin Laden as an asset as early as 1992?


Saddam's hosting of al Qaeda No. 2, Ayman Zawahiri beginning in the early 1990’s, and reports of a large payment of money to Zawahiri in 1998?

The continued insistence of high-ranking Clinton administration officials to the 9/11 Commission that the 1998 retaliatory strikes (after the embassy bombings) against a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory were justified because the factory was a chemical weapons hub tied to Iraq and bin Laden?

Top Clinton administration counterterrorism official Richard Clarke’s assertions, based on intelligence reports in 1999, that Saddam had offered bin Laden asylum after the embassy bombings, and Clarke’s memo to then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, advising him not to fly U-2 missions against bin Laden in Afghanistan because he might be tipped off by Pakistani Intelligence, and “[a]rmed with that knowledge, old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad”? (See 9/11 Commission Final Report, p. 134 & n.135.)

[Skitterpop]

We were all had.... it was all about the oil.

[spence]

Why is it that the Sept. 11 commission found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda at all?

Why do internal CIA documents state such a relationship to be unlikely given the differing motivations?

Why is it that the Administration, who used a Saddam/Bin Laden nexus as the centerpiece of their justification for war has yet to offer any real evidence?

Remember Cheney stating it was "pretty much confirmed" that Atta met with Iraqi agents in Prague? Well, the intel now shows he was in the good old USA when that meeting occured.

Sorry, but I need to see some facts, not conservative opinion.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

They have no spine or ideas. All they do is bitch about Bush. Other than that they have nothing to offer. I have no clue what the heck they want or what they would like to do.

Skip, that's because you don't take the time to understand alternate viewpoints. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them, but when you have a multi-faceted understanding you might just find the truth is in the middle and not beneath your feet.

Blindly defending a position that defies objective thought is exactly what the GOP propaganda machine has programed you to do. You don't need to think because they will do the thinking for you.

Did you know there are 40 Vets running for Congress this fall as DEMOCRATS!

I guess they're just spineless and have no ideas

-spence

[Skitterpop]

I just adore her

Hey............ she could have Bill as her running mate!

[spence]

Even though she's despised by 30% of the country, Hillary would present a serious challenge to the GOP.

-spence

[Raven]

and ...nixon that prick started it...

i saw him in Sanfrancisco...live...
giving a speech and all i could think
of was, he's close enough to hit with
an egg.

when George Bush talks about freedom
for Iraqi's i just wanna puke...
as he slowly but surely strips all of our's away.
the guy is the biggest bull s h i t artist that ever lived.

not long ago we had solved the deficit...it was gone...
now its so large your kid's kids wont see daylight.
what a friggan joke.

[Skip N]

Iraq WMD"S? Nah they never had those. Hey Nebe why dont you go talk to the Kurds about Iraq and the WMD's Saddam never had.. They might have a different view than yours. You and your no WMD crap is the "big lie" The facts are on my side not yours

[Redsoxticket]

Tin soldiers and Bush's coming,
were finally on our own,
this summer I hear the drumming,
four dead in Ohio,
Go to get down to it,
soldiers are cuttin us down,
should have been long ago,
what if you knew her and found her dead on the ground,
how can you run when you know,
four dead in Ohio

[redneck24]

Originally Posted by afterhours

eben- with the exception of the wmd issue, i have to agree with some of your points, can't beleive i'm saying this- what's next coffee with spence?

[nightfighter]

Eben, you must have been an ostrich in a previous life. A couple Seal buddies just read this and they would like to meet you...

[TheSpecialist]

I wonder what it would be like to live in another country.....




How bout those Democrats, banging the drum to get us off of oil, but when someone wants to build an LNG off loading area they want to spend millions of your dollars on studies to what kind of impact there would be. Then they fight the things tooth and nail.

[Nebe]

iraq posesd no threat to the united states.. so what if they did have wmd's they were not going to use them to attack us. I can tell you what they did have- OIL. we tapped into it right away and bingo instant record oil profits for exxon mobile. by loosening pollution constraints their profit margins were even greater.

You guys want clean drinking water for your kids?? in many parts of our country, the rain water has teh same PH balance as vinager.

there are huge genocides that go on in Africa.. we do nothing. Why?? They have nothing we need from them.

[Navy Chief]

Originally Posted by Nebe

there are huge genocides that go on in Africa.. we do nothing. Why?? They have nothing we need from them.

The largest genocide in africa occured under who? oh yeah, that's right, the Clinton administration. The same time Al Quada was bombing the WTC and my shipmates on the USS Cole.

What happened? Osama in the crosshairs but no kill order authorized.
Just fire off 10 Tomahawks and stand by for more defense cuts.

[Skitterpop]

din a len den daaa It really is a very complex and megamulti- faceted situation....always has been .... no cut and dried answers or solutions. Maybe we need Bill Belechek sp? ~~~~~~ at the helm.

God Save The Queen!

[fishsmith]

This country has to many people as is, if you hate it here so much leave .... or are you scared

God Bless America and support our Troops

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by fishsmith

This country has to many people as is, if you hate it here so much leave .... or are you scared

God Bless America and support our Troops

Yes God Bless America and support our troops!

So we cannot acknowledge other issues that demand vast improvements or corrections? How many brave and patriotic soldiers are being used for unjust purposes? How many are dying or suffer life alteringly injuries for twisted purposes and most historically based upon natural resources, whether it be oil, land, gold, diamonds, etc. etc., not safety for our country or to save other countries?

I am patriotic but not blind....thats why they created the word angst.

I love my country and don`t want to leave. Yet we are far from perfect and most assuredly internationally corrupt. What major power isn`t ?

War of the Worlds is an ever constant. Its in our biology I fear.


God Bless Us All,
Mike

[Nebe]

just remember... over 150 thousand iraqi civilians have died because we were scared that they MIGHT hurt us.

That my friends is F-ed up Do you kill your neighbor because you think he might hurt you?? Do you kill the guy down the street because he is friends with someone ho has done harm??
What we have here is a Lynch mob of epic worldly preportions..

I learned this valuable lesson in elementary school recess....the biggist pussy always throws the first punch.

Oh and i support our troops they are just following orders, its their leadership that needs the bitch slap.

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

what's next coffee with spence?

-spence