the big lie.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Eben where are you getting your facts about who is profiting off of Iraqi oil??

Also where did anyone say that Iraq, or the people of Iraq were the threat? As far as I know there was a proven terrorist link between Husseins regime and Al Quaeda. What was to stop Saddam from selling biological agents, weapons plans, components or bombs to Al Quaeda? Whether or not he had WMD"S, they knew how to make them, and knowledge is just as deadly as the product itself if given to the wrong hands.

Before you make blanket statements, back it up with some facts, links to sites or articles so we can judge for ourselves. As far as I am concerned your wolf crying is just a bad as what you are blaming the Adminitstration for. I did an internet search and could not come up with any hard facts that Exxon is profiting off of Iraqi oil. Saudi oil yes, Iraqi oil no.

I'll bet you are one of those guys who does'nt want to see the drug testing on animals even if it means a cure for cancer or aids huh?

He has no facts, he wishes he had the facts but there's zip. Just like him saying Iraq had no wmd's when we all know Saddam slaughtered the Kurds using wmd's. And the entire world believed he still possesed them prior to the Iraq invasion in '03. Even Bill Clinton thought Saddam still had 'em. But they like to over look those tiny facts. And Saddam also supported terroism, like giving money to family members of Hamas suicide bombers. And giving aide to Al Zarquawi (sp?) after he was wounded in Afganastan Those are facts that the left just ignores because it undercuts thier arguments that Bush lied.


As for the abortion issue. Most people having abortions have not been raped, had incest or are getting them becuase the mothers health is in jeopordy. Thats another big lie....Most people having abortions are young women who got pregnant because they wernt using protection. And aborting the baby is just an easy way to not have to be responsible for the child. Its the easy way out. He knows this but uses the rape, incest stuff to sound more mederate. Abortions should be given as a LAST resort if the mother's help is at risk. Not becuase 15 year old jenny wanted to bang her boyfriend without using protection and then gets pregnant. There is no responsibilty in this country anymore. You get knocked up have the kid, dont kill it!

[Sea Dangles]

Skip,I was with you until the abortion rant but now you are talking out your ass.This is an issue that should certainly be left alone.
Thanks

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Skip,I was with you until the abortion rant but now you are talking out your ass.This is an issue that should certainly be left alone.
Thanks

Well you know i'm right about WHO is having the abortions. Its not mostly rape victims. Its mostly young folks who find themselves in that position becuase the girl AND the guy arent being responsible. If you wanna bang be prepared for what can happen.....Thats all i'm saying. Now i'm done. I;d rather argue WMD's were i can pose FACTS. Abortion issue is all opinons and a waste of my time. No one can win this debate. Its a waste of energy. Nebe opened this can of worms and im just giving a different point of view that i guess you guys dont want to hear. But im done. I aint going down the abortion road....

[Backbeach Jake]

Solving the problems of the worlds is exhausting , isn't it? It is stimulating banter, and we do get to know one another better through it. And I, for one, DO respect everyone here's opinion. They're all valid and that's what makes this so frustrating.

[Nebe]

specialist- exxon mobil's profits were a result of record oil prices. Prices went up due to global conflits. Any time there is a war, prices go up. Of course supply and demand are players as well, but the iraq conflict played a huge roll in elevated prices.

Iraq's link to al queda is hardly a link at all. Take a look at how many of the hijackers came from saudi arabia.. why didnt we invade them and take over thier country?? Explain to me how Iraq aided the 9-11 hijackers please.

[TheSpecialist]

This is way off Bill...

Here is a link if you read the information, you will see that even the Clinton administration was saying there was a link between the 2

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

Read and judge for yourself...

Now if you can show me some evidence that Exxon is currently profiting directly from oil coming out of Iraq, then I will believe it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Here is a link if you read the information, you will see that even the Clinton administration was saying there was a link between the 2

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

Read and judge for yourself...

The Weekly Standard isn't exactly the most objective source you could have quoted!

This argument is pretty simple, show me a US Government report done after the Administrations snow job that indicates there's a link.

You won't find any. The tens of millions of US taxpayer dollars spent researching the isse have come up with NOTHING.

-spence

[mekcotuit]

Originally Posted by Skip N

He has no facts, he wishes he had the facts but there's zip. Just like him saying Iraq had no wmd's when we all know Saddam slaughtered the Kurds using wmd's. And the entire world believed he still possesed them prior to the Iraq invasion in '03. Even Bill Clinton thought Saddam still had 'em. But they like to over look those tiny facts. And Saddam also supported terroism, like giving money to family members of Hamas suicide bombers. And giving aide to Al Zarquawi (sp?) after he was wounded in Afganastan Those are facts that the left just ignores because it undercuts thier arguments that Bush lied.


As for the abortion issue. Most people having abortions have not been raped, had incest or are getting them becuase the mothers health is in jeopordy. Thats another big lie....Most people having abortions are young women who got pregnant because they wernt using protection. And aborting the baby is just an easy way to not have to be responsible for the child. Its the easy way out. He knows this but uses the rape, incest stuff to sound more mederate. Abortions should be given as a LAST resort if the mother's help is at risk. Not becuase 15 year old jenny wanted to bang her boyfriend without using protection and then gets pregnant. There is no responsibilty in this country anymore. You get knocked up have the kid, dont kill it!

How about Jenny's dumb%$%$%$%$, irresponsible boyfriend using some protection and not getting 15 year old girls pregnant????? What? You think having an abortion is such a fly by night decision? Let's see, today I'll go to the dry cleaners, then to the grocery store, and oh yes, pop into the doctor's for a quick D & C......I find it so interesting that the most ardent anti-abortion people seem to be men...and they need a lesson in taking responsibility.....

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by mekcotuit

How about Jenny's dumb%$%$%$%$, irresponsible boyfriend using some protection and not getting 15 year old girls pregnant????? What? You think having an abortion is such a fly by night decision? Let's see, today I'll go to the dry cleaners, then to the grocery store, and oh yes, pop into the doctor's for a quick D & C......I find it so interesting that the most ardent anti-abortion people seem to be men...and they need a lesson in taking responsibility.....

Well Jenny shouldnt be banging unless she OR the guy are using protection!! Your right its a two way street ,it goes both ways. But BOTH are responsable for thier actions. They both know what can happen when you get it on! You CAN get pregnant. Imagine that. And why can 11 year old girls have abortions without thier parents knowing? yeah that makes sense