Adam Is Gone! - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

BigFish · 03-21-2006, 06:19 PM

Report on the news said signed with the Colts this afternoon!

Ain't that a kick in the....oh never mind!

CAL · 03-21-2006, 06:22 PM

Who's running the Pats these days, Mike O'Connell?

Another one gone and the dynasty is officially over

Surfcastinglife · 03-21-2006, 06:24 PM

nothin on espn about it yet, but i heard micheal holley on eei saying he did in fact sign with the colts

BigFish · 03-21-2006, 06:24 PM

If this ain't rebuilding...I don't know what is!

PNG · 03-21-2006, 06:28 PM

Cant sign for 3 days because he has a new agent.
But it dont sound good

afterhours · 03-21-2006, 06:32 PM

adam is a "clutch" performer and will be missed!this is not the end of the world - maybe the new guy will kick deep on k/offs, we ALWAYS gave the other guys great field position. we will have damned good team in '06. gonna be a lot of good people available come june 1st. that said- there's NOBODY i'd rather have than adam in a snowstorm or life and death siuation. ....like a steam locomotive rollin' down the tracks he's gone.

Mike P · 03-21-2006, 06:51 PM

Look at the bright side--Vander-jackoff is now available

After that last kick against the Steelers, he should change his name to Vandershank

Raider Ronnie · 03-21-2006, 07:37 PM

ESPN.com has a headline,
"the most accurate kicker in nfl history is being replaced by the most clutch kicker in nfl history"
Dumb move on the Pats part !!!
If you guys think that your Pats team is rebuilding like Bigfish said,
Any chance of doing a deal sending Tom Brady out to Oakland!
I would bet he would drool just thinking of throwing to our recieving corp !!!

basswipe · 03-21-2006, 07:56 PM

This is what's on the Colts site as of 8pm.

http://colts.com/sub.cfm?page=article7&news_id=3641

Squid kids Dad · 03-21-2006, 07:59 PM

I just hope the Pats have some kind of plan..They have showed in years past that they always have one..They just keep it so damned quite...

Raider Ronnie · 03-21-2006, 07:59 PM

Colts play the Pats in Foxboro next season !
Will Adam get boooooed

Slipknot · 03-21-2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

If you guys think that your Pats team is rebuilding like Bigfish said,
Any chance of doing a deal sending Tom Brady out to Oakland!
I would bet he would drool just thinking of throwing to our recieving corp !!!

Sure Ronnie, no problemo
I have an in with Belichick so I'll see what I can do for ya, but I don't think it will fly with Piolli and Kraft.

Slipknot · 03-21-2006, 08:46 PM

All these guys skipping town is depressing

Tim Dwight is on the freakin Jets now

Givens = gone
McGinest = gone
Adam = gone

who's next?

PNG · 03-21-2006, 09:15 PM

I heard Geno's gonna call the Jets games

It aint right

Why not, everyone else has jumped ship

Slipknot · 03-21-2006, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Colts play the Pats in Foxboro next season !
Will Adam get boooooed

Adam gets a free pass here anytime

I think the pats should have given in and paid him the money if it's only a matter of a few hundred thou

if anyone is worth it, he is

Slipknot · 03-21-2006, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PNG

I heard Geno's gonna call the Jets games

It aint right

Why not, everyone else has jumped ship

now you're pullin our leg

oke:

Raider Ronnie · 03-21-2006, 10:10 PM

Could this be the move that puts the Colts over the top ???
Or will Carson Palmer completely heal and are the Belgals going to be the best team in football next year ???
Had Palmer not got injured, NO WAY the steelers would have won that game !!!
The Pats are definitely a weaker team now !!!

Squid kids Dad · 03-21-2006, 11:00 PM

blah,blah,blah.....

Clammer · 03-21-2006, 11:45 PM

W T F #$%^&* DUMB M/F#$%^&*()

Starfish · 03-21-2006, 11:59 PM

LOYALTY?

Raider Ronnie · 03-22-2006, 04:18 AM

Tim Dwight is gone also,
He was a pretty good kick off / punt returner

Katie · 03-22-2006, 05:38 AM

This really sucks, i'm lookin for a new football team to root for..

Adam’s exit enough to make Pats fans ill
By Michael Felger/ Patriots Beat
Boston Herald Patriots Beat Columnist

Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - Updated: 01:42 AM EST

Bill Parcells once said that losing felt like throwing up in your mouth. He was talking about games, but you can extend the analogy to what Patriots fans have felt like this free agency season.

And last night, millions of people throughout New England felt like projectile vomiting.

Adam Vinatieri agreed to a contract with the Indianapolis Colts, and the difference between the money in Indy and Foxboro wound up being chump change against Bill Belichick’s salary cap and relative nickels against Bob Kraft’s bottom line. Perhaps the best clutch kicker in the history of the NFL and one of the most popular athletes Boston ever has known now is wearing enemy colors because the Pats refused to budge off their hard-line philosophy.

You can call Belichick and Scott Pioli consistent (although you’d be overrating that; more below). I call them stubborn, foolishly so in this case.

Vinatieri agreed to a multi-year deal that reportedly comes with a $3.5 million signing bonus and is worth $2.5 million a season over the first three years of the deal. When all the numbers are factored in, Vinatieri’s average annual cap value will fall in the $3 million range. The NFL salary cap will be $102 million in 2006 and $109 million in 2007. The Pats currently enjoy around $19 million in cap space. Kraft brings in over $250 million in revenue a year. We could run Vinatieri’s percentages for you, but you get the point.

It’s chicken feed.

There was apparently little dialogue between the Pats and Vinatieri the last several weeks, but the Pats always intended to be below the top of the market, whatever that happened to be. They wanted Vinatieri to make up the difference in local endorsements. That’s insulting.

Meanwhile, here’s another bit of news that’s sure to send you right back to the toilet: The Pats reportedly have expressed interest in former Colts kicker Mike Vanderjagt.

Lest you forgot, the last time Vanderjagt was on a football field, he sent the ball into the cheerleader formation on a potential game-tying playoff kick against Pittsburgh.

The last time Adam didn’t come through with a game on the line was 1999.

The Pats certainly have their reasons for passing on Vinatieri. He’s 33 and has battled back problems the past several years. For two years running he’s been the highest-paid kicker in the game, and that has to end sometime. Besides, if you ask Tom Brady to be third-highest-paid quarterback and Richard Seymour to keep his demands in check, how do you justify making Vinatieri the highest-priced player at his position deep into his 30s?

But if the Pats are so bent on consistency, then how do you explain what happened with Corey Dillon last year? Entering the final year of his contract at a fair price of just over $3 million, the Pats felt the need to lavish a multi-year extension on the 31-year-old running back that guaranteed him $10 million over two years. The Pats then watched in horror as Dillon aged in front of their eyes.

The point is that the Pats have been aggressive in the past and have spent when they felt the need to. They spent on Rosevelt Colvin. They spent on Rodney Harrison. They spent on Dillon. They even spent on corner Duane Starks, whose $3.5 million base salary in 2006 was guaranteed.

No one can argue with the impeccable record of Belichick and Pioli when it comes to cutting ties with veterans. They’ve lost armloads of players over the years - Chad Eaton, Drew Bledsoe, Lawyer Milloy, Tebucky Jones, Bobby Hamilton, Ted Washington, Damien Woody, Joe Andruzzi, David Patten, etc. - and not one has come back to haunt them.

But remember, their record of picking players has been more spotty than fans recognize. Last year’s haul - Chad Brown, Monty Beisel, David Terrell, Starks - is a good example. And if anyone can give me an explanation why Starks was worth $3.5 million but Vinatieri wasn’t, I want to hear it.

So how you feel about this move comes down to what you trust more: the judgment of Belichick and Pioli or the accuracy of Vinatieri’s right leg. They’re both pretty good, but if you run the numbers you’ll find the percentages favor Adam.

In the meantime, be sure to clean the puke off your shoes.

afterhours · 03-22-2006, 07:27 AM

hope adam knows what he's doing. if this deal is only a few million more than ths pats offered i think he made a mistake. adam could have made multiples of that in post career endorsements here in patriot land.

Raven · 03-22-2006, 07:29 AM

i'll be fishin this year.....instead of watchin friggan fools ball
my wife can record it... but the attraction...the incentive
has evaporated... dwight too... he was excellent... wtf.

Bigcat · 03-22-2006, 07:53 AM

The sky is falling... I sure hope the Pats have a master plan? We have lost a lot of players and just signed a 4th or 5th reciver.
Adam is a great clutch kicker inside the 40 I can recall a few times when the Pats did not go for the long FG, could be Bill had no confiadence in Adam's leg? Also the short kickoff's were a killer.
I still hate to see him go.

Clogston29 · 03-22-2006, 07:59 AM

He's a kicker and can be replaced. The pats probably knew that he was looking for the money and that some other team would have been willing to add a couple hundred thousand to whatever they offered so they didn't bother. Plus, he's getting older, not younger. They probably saw some other issues with his game that we don't see also.

Givens is a number 2 receiver who got number 1 receiver money, what where the pats supposed to do. If they had given givens that kind of money, what would they have to give branch next year.

Slipknot · 03-22-2006, 08:10 AM

The players would call Adam - "Adam and leave"
well I guess they call him "Adam left", now

it was his chance to be the highest paid kicker in the league.

I still think the Pats screwed up, should have given him the money.

The Colts? The Colts

WTF

afterhours · 03-22-2006, 08:16 AM

karl- over the next 20 yrs he would make a killing with endorsements being a patriot hero, that is if he remained a patriot. now he's with one of our arch rivals. in the big picture i think he took the quick $$$, which over time will be the short $$$. just my .02

The Dad Fisherman · 03-22-2006, 09:08 AM

As much as this sucks for us its probably a good thing for Adam. I don't think he went for the instatnt dollars.....Playing in a dome is probably going to extend his career a good 2 years. A lot easier to kick in a dome than at Foxboro.

I know I'll miss him.....ever since that play that he took Herscell Walker down from behind I thought the guy was awesome.

vineyardblues · 03-22-2006, 11:51 AM

TUFF CALL ON THIS ONE, I FOR ONE WILL MISS HIM

VB