Well? Where Is All The RISSA Show Chatter? - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Sea Dangles · 04-02-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NIB

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Yes everything has been done before.We all know that.Stan didn't invent the needle fish either.
No one on the next aisle over is sellin mureels.They also made sure the due respect was payed.Thats the difference.Its apples an oranges.

Imitation is another word for respect.If you knew what I know then you would understand imitation is overblown.It has happened before and it might happen again.

tattoobob · 04-02-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Larry, you missed the candy vendor, overpriced plugs, some guy ripping off Beachmaster plugs saying they were as good as, some other guy selling cutom baits for 30.00 each that after inspection didn't pass muster by me. Bobby from Beachmaster was there and we had a long talk about the correct way to fish plugs. Saw Nib. The knife guy was great bought a new 7 inch filet knife and a couple new stones. Other than that, no real bargains. Gibbs gave me a rare tiger red over yellow danny, scored an old GooGoo eyes swimmer for a buck, Nice Tattoo hat and the NJ Tackle guys are always great to yak with. Habs was there, and the best was the chinese guys selling the offshore squids and tuna stuff, left some bucks there. If the guy wanting to clean my glasses asked me one more time, he would have needed some himself when he got out of the hospital.

I bought the Purple Magic, the only problem was he wanted to clean my glasses with paper towels thats a no-no.

Notaro · 04-02-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tattoobob

I bought the Purple Magic, the only problem was he wanted to clean my glasses with paper towels thats a no-no.

i saw those guys. they have some squids that look to be potential fluke teasers. they never asked me to clean my glasses or soemthing.

Diamond Tackle · 04-03-2006, 01:05 AM

Just rolled in to NJ,pretty tired but just wanted to say thanks to everyone that stopped by or I ran into and had the pleasure of chatting with. esp:Tattobob & his wife(make sure you stop out at M this year,no excuses) Flap, always a pleasure & you definitely one of the most knowledgeable guys ,Z (really glad you won at Foxwds) ,Bobby from Beachmaster, what a legend this guy is, and he really is much younger in person , Iron Mike anytime you want to go scuba diving bud let me know , Capt Don a true gentleman, DonG(awesome new colors) ,Mac & his better half, Pete G (you guys run a top notch operation) . Scott and Denise of course, "the veteran" Al Gags, The guys from the Surfcaster(that bunker snake oil was way too freakin funny).
Pt Jude Joe, always a gentleman.Dave from Surf Asylum,great to finally meet you. The guys from The Lonely Angler.
and last but not least Habsie, who shouldnt ever play poker with me cause I know all his tells now(just busting bud)
Hurley lures and the Buckos, guys thanks again,it was a pleasure .

NIB · 04-03-2006, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BernOC

Howdy NIB

Just curious as to why you say the Tattoo's 2oz darters are nicer than beachmasters? The 2oz BM's I have dig better than anything I've ever used and look fantastic. What makes them..."nicer" or stand above the rest?

Hey Bernie where u there.?
Would have loved to see ya again..
I said they where much nicer.I should have known the BM crowd wouldn't like that.Sometimes I don't think things thru all the way as beauty is in the eye of the beholder.The 2 oz. Tattoo I have swam great it does what a darter does dart.Not overly darty.an it doesn't dig too much but holds in current.I think Tattoo does a much better job painting em.Yes beachmaster has gotten a little more variations in thier color schemes in the past few yrs.Everybody knows the basic colors are all u really need.But I'm a plug freak an From what I seen at the show there is really no comparison.I know Ur A die hard BM guy but u should check out the tattoo's when they become available.Maybe I'll trade u one for a BM.

NIB · 04-03-2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Imitation is another word for respect.If you knew what I know then you would understand imitation is overblown.It has happened before and it might happen again.

Well being As I am Not Kreskin an last time I tried I couldn't read into what someone else is thinking.Especially on the INTERNET. I can only go on what I SEE. It was plain to the eye a outright copy.To the point I could have taking a HABS out of the package an switched em on the table an the display guy would not have known the difference.I have no idea what u are talking about.It seems u have some hidden agenda.Good for U.U seem to agree an then disagree with my replies.Kinda like arguing with a woman.

I really have no need to get involved in all the plug building BS that goes on up there.I get enough of it here in NJ.I am a Plug freak. I have many from all the builders.I even got some Salty's this yr.Imagine that.He tells me I may have a few more.Which is frightening really

UserRemoved1 · 04-03-2006, 06:03 AM

I guarantee you Nib spent an hour that night closely inspecting every plug in his bag to figure out which one's he had

What's this plug war crap in the projo outdoor column? WTF is up with this drivel.

Slipknot · 04-03-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

What's this plug war crap in the projo outdoor column? WTF is up with this drivel.

Blaming it on the internet isn't the entire story. Sure the internet helps it expand and can accelerate it but my feelings are that back in the old days when builders shared like we do in the plug forum, they did it because there were not many wooden salt water plugs out there. And they got along and helped the sport by providing quality plugs as an alternative to fishing bait. So the 3 or 4 guys doing it got along famously.
Go forward in time in this fast paced world we live in today and there's pressure to make a living so when money gets involved and competition causes animosity between some because of lying or whatever, then things get out of hand. Word travels quickly in the fishing community and rumors start up and accusations spread. Secondhand info gets pasted on the forums and it makes everyone look bad. If ya keep ya nose clean and have integrity then ya don't have to worry about all the backstabbing and two faced crap that goes on. It sounds like baby chit to me, that's why I will not go into the plug business. Someone once asked me if that kind of crap happens in my business and I really didn't know or think about it, but I guess it can happen. I just try to make a living, if another place cuts my price and gets a job then so be it, I am not a great salesman, I let the quality of my work speak for itself but these days you need more than that because most people just see dollar signs, not many are concerned with quality or know enough to care.
I wonder if the guy who wrote that article really thought that blurb in the paper would help sell newspapers

I wonder why he thought it was neccesary to include it. I guess he reads the forums too.
So let's not start debating the plug wars here at S-B, we'll leave that to the other sites

NIB, that's not what you told me. You said you COULD read others' minds on the internet.

NIB · 04-03-2006, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

NIB, that's not what you told me. You said you COULD read others' minds on the internet.

Some nuts are tougher to crack than others.

NIB · 04-03-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I guarantee you Nib spent an hour that night closely inspecting every plug in his bag to figure out which one's he had

What's this plug war crap in the projo outdoor column? WTF is up with this drivel.

Link? I tried to get it but didn't feel like loggin on to another site.......

Sea Dangles · 04-03-2006, 08:55 AM

No hidden agenda NIB.I didn't even notice the needle,I agree moustache makes the best and that's why it's obviously been selected to be copied.If only agreeing with half of your opinion makes me a woman,allow me to bend over.Just bring lube.

JohnR · 04-03-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NIB

Link? I tried to get it but didn't feel like loggin on to another site.......

I took a quick look - is there a Plug War? No, low level conflict perhaps? Maybe. I also wonder how much out of context some of the "quotes" were...

Why can't we all just get along

MakoMike · 04-03-2006, 10:11 AM

We were next to the Tatoo booth and I couldn't believe the amount of plugs that were flying over the counter! I have to say that I was a little disappointed in the guys behind the counter though. I saw one guy drop about $300 on plugs and when he asked if he could buy a hat for $10 (they were marked as $18) was told "no way."

choggieman · 04-03-2006, 10:34 AM

Sorry to have dissapointed you Makomike over the hat, but we had already thrown the guy a bone. And, btw- it was not close to 300, more like 100. We tried to take care of the customers who take care of us so I beleive the gentleman got a tshirt on the house. Please do not portray "the guys behind the counter" as disappointing, because we gave away lotsa stuff from plugs to hats and shirts. It would be nice to give everyone something free like a hat or shirt, but not at all cost effective.

UserRemoved1 · 04-03-2006, 10:41 AM

I agree John. I myself couldn't understand why someone would print that. He quoted guys here though so maybe they know something that me and others don't.

Tattoo · 04-03-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

We were next to the Tatoo booth and I couldn't believe the amount of plugs that were flying over the counter! I have to say that I was a little disappointed in the guys behind the counter though. I saw one guy drop about $300 on plugs and when he asked if he could buy a hat for $10 (they were marked as $18) was told "no way."

MakoMike, your close, but we all know close doesn't count.

The gentleman purchased $100+ dollars worth of lures and after cashing out asked if he was entitled for a free T-Shirt after spending that much money. Yes, you are, and we gladly gave him one. He then asked to see a hat, which we showed him. He asked how much and we told him $18.99. His respose was "Will you take $10". I responded with "they cost me more than $10, sorry" He said OK and had no problem with it.

Apparently you had a problem with the situation and that's unfortunate.

We can't please everybody.

Bernzy · 04-03-2006, 11:09 AM

My "quote" was a very small snippet of a 20 minute conversation I had with the author. Also, I was under the impression that he was writing an article for a magazine on plug building.

Bernzy

Diamond Tackle · 04-03-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot

If ya keep ya nose clean and have integrity then ya don't have to worry about all the backstabbing and two faced crap that goes on.

Slip,
You said a mouthful. Dead nuts on accurate 100%.
In my short 45 yrs I’ve personally witnessed multi million dollar Real Estate deals on a handshake by the old school guys, one of them was the Ceo at a fortune 500 co, I will never forget those people and what they thought me. Many years ago I read a great book “What they don’t teach you at Harvard Business school” , I must read that book 10x .
But today it’s a dog eat dog world, seems you cant do business with many people on a handshake anymore without a written contract. Maybe Lawyers have screwed up society forever, I don’t know but its very sad. But what goes around comes around, that will always hold true.

JFigliuolo · 04-03-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Slip,
Snipped... But what goes around comes around, that will always hold true.

Sometimes not as fast as you might like...

NIB · 04-03-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

No hidden agenda NIB.I didn't even notice the needle,I agree moustache makes the best and that's why it's obviously been selected to be copied.If only agreeing with half of your opinion makes me a woman,allow me to bend over.Just bring lube.

Thats just wrong.

NIB · 04-03-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bernzy

My "quote" was a very small snippet of a 20 minute conversation I had with the author. Also, I was under the impression that he was writing an article for a magazine on plug building.

Bernzy

Johnee After meeting u I knew that was the case.

Slipknot · 04-03-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bernzy

My "quote" was a very small snippet of a 20 minute conversation I had with the author. Also, I was under the impression that he was writing an article for a magazine on plug building.

Bernzy

yep, that figures. like John said I wonder how much was taken out of context. Sounds like the author was trying to make something out of nothing.

UserRemoved1 · 04-03-2006, 11:56 AM

Bernzy I missed you I did not know you were there.

Clammer · 04-03-2006, 12:03 PM

I am happy to say & usual I had a great time & its always great to see the guys & girls //
I know there is friction of different levels between some makers /to each other / & also to dealers // but to myself / I find the ones that I talk to to great people / nothing wrong with differences ..,
I,m Not going into details =========

I,ve been fortuneite [sp] to have form some great friend
ships with some of the plug masters / I don,t expect anyone that works as hard as they do -with must its a second job [even if they thought it was a hobby]

everyonce in a while I,ll get a plug in the mail ======================= TRY IT is the cost //
or mac bought a small plug on e-bay -- & had it sent to me / just because he knows that what I like .,.,

Scott //one of the most generous guys on & too this site ////
HABS / no need to say anything // Mike // father/ young kids two jobs ========== BUSINESS IS BUSINESS ================
the guys that have entered the plastic generation =========== all pluses //

saying that I know if I needed [anything] & was broke /I would still be able to fish ========= with all the great people on this site ========= from members to sponsors of all kinds //you
have my respect .,.,
for the F #$%^&*() bLOofish lovers F/U ...

HABS & TAT ++ your in my thoughts ><><><
CLAMMER

NIB · 04-03-2006, 12:09 PM

Perhaps after interviewing several builders he came upon that as a general consensus.The Moaning could be because the market is getting saturated.Saw lots o HAB's needles in lots o shops for sale 3 yrs ago they would have been picked clean in no time.How many 20 dollar plugs can we afford these days we are getting the pinch every which way we turn Gas, Heating bills it all eats into the general plug fund.So as the pins stay full The Moaning gets louder.

That is why I'm starting the send NIB to PLUGLAND Foundation.
Just Send me ur money.
(NIB likes to keep it simple Like Jimmy Swaggert).
RePent....Don't worry there is no Tammy Fay.
Be Happy..There is a feel good thing goin on here.
Yes I know u can u feel it.
NIB will feel good when he can afford MORE PLUGS.NIB has to have all the colors. He will need a new bigger bag for next yrs. show.How do U expect NIB to go on like this.PLEASE HELP!
Give till it hurts.
Make NIB NOTORIUS again.
NIB Thanks U for it.
That third person sh!t cracks me up...

JohnR · 04-03-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinman

Slip,
You said a mouthful. Dead nuts on accurate 100%.
In my short 45 yrs I’ve personally....

You've been short for 45 years?

Sorry - had too

Yes, there is some animosity going back and forth from different builders. I know as I unfortunately wind up mediating some of it. I can't stand it personally and nobody wins. I also believe that how long someone has been doing something like commercial plug building has little relevance with whether or not they "sling" barbs. These are my own observations.

Anyway, I think that the past few years have shown that those that get down in the weeds to sling barbs about the competition do little other than to hurt their own reputations.

I also believe that the more "Stand Up" people are both overtly and covertly, the more likely they are to stay out of the slinging that occurs.

NIB · 04-03-2006, 12:24 PM

[QUOTE=JohnR]You've been short for 45 years?

Sorry - had too

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He's been short AND funny lookin.
Got one o those BIG cartoon heads.
It's all i can do not to crack up every time i see him.

Diamond Tackle · 04-03-2006, 12:38 PM

[QUOTE=NIB]

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Originally Posted by JohnR

You've been short for 45 years?

Sorry - had too

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He's been short AND funny lookin.
Got one o those BIG cartoon heads.
It's all i can do not to crack up every time i see him.

I know, I know but it makes me easy to spot & I can blame it on my Black Forest ancestors, whats your excuse?

JohnR · 04-03-2006, 12:45 PM

[quote=Tinman]

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Originally Posted by NIB

I know, I know but it makes me easy to spot & I can blame it on my Black Forest ancestors, whats your excuse?

Noch ein mal. bitte

Zum Wohl

MakoMike · 04-03-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tattoo

MakoMike, your close, but we all know close doesn't count.

The gentleman purchased $100+ dollars worth of lures and after cashing out asked if he was entitled for a free T-Shirt after spending that much money. Yes, you are, and we gladly gave him one. He then asked to see a hat, which we showed him. He asked how much and we told him $18.99. His respose was "Will you take $10". I responded with "they cost me more than $10, sorry" He said OK and had no problem with it.

Apparently you had a problem with the situation and that's unfortunate.

We can't please everybody.

My apologies, as you know I was pretty busy witht he magazines and must have gotten a mis-impression of what was going on. I didn't even realize that you gave him a t-shirt. Guess, next time I should pay mre attention before I stick my foot in my nouth again