Immigration and Illegal aliens

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

I would love to be able to think and feel that way but again I have one shift where the three members all speak different languages and not one is english. They understand the basic premise but not the context. Also, MSDA sheets only come in english and spanish, not Vietnamese, Portugese etc. It's time consuming and also a liablilty that we cannot afford to face to be multi-lingual. As in most other countries there is a national language and here it is english. Being sensitive to others cultural and national backgrounds can only go so far. If you want to work and thrive here learn the language to be at a conversant level. It doesn't mean you have to stop speaking your own at home or out of work or even at work but to understand basic rules, practices etc in the US it should be in English.

Exactly! Unification is what made this country as great, and strong as it is. Diversity is also a foundation on which this country was built upon. Diversity without unification will tear down the basic principles by which we live.

[Nebe]

sorry, but if your going to come here, learn english before you come. If I was going to move to China or germany or Italy, i would learn the language before i went. Its called being prepared.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

sorry, but if your going to come here, learn english before you come. If I was going to move to China or germany or Italy, i would learn the language before i went. Its called being prepared.

Just plain dumb logic How many on this board have Eastern European ancestry that came to this country not speaking a word of English?I suppose in your world they were not "prepared".Take it easy Bogart.I guess I'm being naive but I wonder where the English language class is offered in remote villages of Mexico or China.

[Raider Ronnie]

How can it be so easy for these people to get into this country anyway???
I thought after 9/11 security in this country is suposed to be at an all time high!!!

[sok]

Last time I went out of the country was Oct 2001. Right after......
3 hours to get into Canada.
(Because of some of my past misbehavior. I was bad.)
The truck never got taken out of "D" coming back.
120 seconds.
You can't get a burnt coffee from dunkin faster than they let us through.

["uffah!!"]

I agree with a lot of you and disagree with some of you to a certain extent. But what I haven't heard yet, is you have to remember, that wheather a person is legal or illeagal, if they give birth in this country,that offspring is a Natural Citizen of this country. Now, what are you suppose to do, keep the offspring and send the mother home? Thats what happened on my mothers side. My grandparents on my mothers side were not citizens of this country, but all eight of her offspring were.

[Surfcastinglife]

i have mixed feelings about this issue. my parents immigrated to the usa illegally when i was 3 years old. why? because they were denied entry visas 5 times and entering legally was no longer an option, and neither was staying in their situation. to this day my family and i are still "illegal" none of us have permanent resident status (green card), and thats not because they haven't tried. 18 years after immigrating to this country they own a home, pay taxes like everyone else does and do everything a normal us citizen does. this bill will mean they will be able to finally be "american citizens." to them, its just a label, one that allows them to finally re-visit their home country, and me to go back to the place i was born and haven't seen in 18 years. but of course, though my parents may be part of the majority there are those out there that will find ways to abuse this new bill, that seek only to exploit this country and that's not right. stuck between a rock and a hard place, love to see it go through because it helps folks like my parents and myself out, and at the same time i look to the future and see the problems this will cause, the strain it may lay on this country in the future.

[Swimmer]

The problem with expecting immigrants to learn english is that they dont have to to survive. Their is such a large population now of all the major groups that many of the persons or ethnicities we are talking about own thier own businesses, i.e. landscaping and son on where one person speaks english who gives direction to everyone else and that person is also used as an interpreter with anyone who speaks only english. So no one actually has to go outside of their specific group, to work, shop, or anything.

[Backbeach Jake]

What I want to know is; Why doesn't the Spanish TV channels have English close-captions? But seriously,these illegals serve two purposes, they keep the price of labor down in this country. They allow businesses to skirt safety and other work condition laws and regulations. Who does that benefit? Not the blue collar worker.

[Joe]

Actually, our society is becoming more homogenous with less distinctions between regions and ethnicities.

Bi-Racial marriage and births are the most significant factors, but there are others. For example: People eat from the same fast food chains, the watch national news rather the reading local papers, they listen to satellite radio as opposed to local, they network on the same hook-up sites, and they make regular visits that touchstone of social sameness: the shopping mall.

It's just radically different from what I and other over-40 white people grew up with - but its common throughout the nation.

[Swimmer]

Joe, when I was going to college I had an insructor that said with a straight face, I am one half of an inter-racial marriage", meaning that she was irish and he husband was italian. No joke. Everyone in class kind of swallowed hard every time she referred to her own marriage especially the african american id that sat next to me.

[Raider Ronnie]

I've got the solution to fix this whole problem!
Start rounding all of them up and ship them over to Iraq and serve & defend this country, Like my nephew who has been over there for close to 3 years, and all my uncles who have fought (and died) in every war this country has been in, going back to WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq !!!
Then you will see them fleeing back to South America ASAP !!!

[Swimmer]

Enlisting in our military doesn't automatically ensure citizenship. One still has to apply. I have read several times in the last few years that the families of dead soldiers applied for their childs citizenship postumasly after that child lost his life in Iraq.

And what Chefsperson said about the illegals getting screwed wage and benefit wise is absolutely true. Thes people that hire them should be prosecuted for the fraud they perpetrate on the illegals.

They even crap on each other. When one gets a green card they use it against others who dont to scare them into submission for many varied reasons.

[gone fishin]

POEM - Illegal Immigrants


I cross ocean,
poor and broke,

Take bus,
see employment folk.

Nice man
treat me good in there,
Say I need
go see Welfare.

Welfare say,
"You come no more,

We send cash
right to your door."

Welfare checks,
they make you wealthy,

Medicaid
it keep you healthy!

By and by,
Got plenty money,

Thanks to you,
TAXPAYER dummy.

Write to friends
in motherland,

Tell them
'come, fast as you can'

They come in turbans
and Ford trucks,

I buy big house
with welfare bucks.

They come here,
we live together,

More welfare checks,
it gets better!

Fourteen families,
they moving in,

But neighbor's patience
wearing thin.

Finally, white guy
moves away,
..
I buy his house,
and then I say,

"Find more aliens
for house to rent."

In my yard
I put a tent.

Send for family
they just trash,
...
But they, too,
draw welfare cash!

Everything is
very good,
Soon we own
whole neighborhood.

We have hobby
it called breeding,

Welfare pay
for baby feeding.

Kids need dentist?
Wife need pills?

We get free!
We got no bills!

TAXPAYER crazy!
He pay all year,
To keep welfare
running here.

We think America
darn good place!
Too darn good
for white man race.

If they no like us,
they can scram,
Got lots of room
in Pakistan.

SEND THIS TO EVERY
TAXPAYER YOU KNOW

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Just plain dumb logic How many on this board have Eastern European ancestry that came to this country not speaking a word of English?I suppose in your world they were not "prepared".Take it easy Bogart.I guess I'm being naive but I wonder where the English language class is offered in remote villages of Mexico or China.

If someone wants to move to america and possibly take up a job that an american citizen could be hired for, they should be prepared to become an american.. The national language of America is English. plain and simple.

[BigBo]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If someone wants to move to america and possibly take up a job that an american citizen could be hired for, they should be prepared to become an american.. The national language of America is English. plain and simple.

That's the problem. Although english is the national language in the US, it has not been passed through legistration to become the declared official language. It needs to be done NOW!

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

If someone wants to move to america and possibly take up a job that an american citizen could be hired for, they should be prepared to become an american.. The national language of America is English. plain and simple.

Hey we agree buddy If an immigrant wants to make it in this country they NEED to learn English. Otherwise they won't get very far in the workforce.

[Skip N]

Another thing i am not hearing regarding this new bill thats being thrown around. If we give the 11 million illegals citizenship, wich is gonna happen, what the hell is the big plan for cracking down on the border and preventing 11 million more Illegals from coming right in??? The majority of both Republicans and Democrats are idiots and have no balls when it comes to this issue. But the few who do speak up are called racists by the hispanic groups. Just look how the minute men get trashed for trying to help on the border, they get called racists and every other name in the book by the pro illegal immigration groups. No wonder the politicians are afraid, well plus the votes they all want.

[Bronko]

Does somebody have Spence held against his own will? Why hasn't he posted? Should we call the cops?

[TheSpecialist]

At our union meeting last night the head of the Political Action Committee was asking why so many of us were against the democrats, who have been traditionally favored by Blue collar unions. The biggest answer was that they are so far out of touch with their own country men. The immigration stuff, anti gun, and taxes are killing them, yet they are too stupid to see it.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

At our union meeting last night the head of the Political Action Committee was asking why so many of us were against the democrats, who have been traditionally favored by Blue collar unions. The biggest answer was that they are so far out of touch with their own country men. The immigration stuff, anti gun, and taxes are killing them, yet they are too stupid to see it.

Soulds like you are talking about Ted Kennedy!
Just listen to Howie Carr and hear what he has to say about Ted and this topic!

[TheSpecialist]

This is how stupid the Dumocrats are. If they would ALL be against any new form of gun control, then they would be in the same boat as the republicans, and therefore would be more likely to get the NRA vote, hence winning more seats. That in turn would get some balance out everything. You have a guy like Reilly who is running for Govonor, most if not all sportsmen shoulg vote against him cause of his treatment of the Gun Owners in this state.

[Raider Ronnie]

I have no problem with people coming to this country to make a better life for themselves!
As long as they do it LEGAL !!!
But I know for a fact that a LOT of these people from south of the border have NO intention of staying here and giving back to this country!
They are here to either work around the clock and send every penny back home or to steal enything they can !
Then in 3 to 4 years they go back home and they tell me they can live like kings!
I have a BIG problem with them driving cars with no lics, ins, or registration and they are crashing into honest (legal), paying through the nose people !
I can only imagine what would happen if one of these people were to crash into Bigfish's new truck !!!
new truck

[Vectorfisher]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

I have no problem with people coming to this country to make a better life for themselves!
As long as they do it LEGAL !!!
But I know for a fact that a LOT of these people from south of the border have NO intention of staying here and giving back to this country!
They are here to either work around the clock and send every penny back home or to steal enything they can !
Then in 3 to 4 years they go back home and they tell me they can live like kings!
I have a BIG problem with them driving cars with no lics, ins, or registration and they are crashing into honest (legal), paying through the nose people !
I can only imagine what would happen if one of these people were to crash into Bigfish's new truck !!!
new truck

So true!! I have been working on a very expensive house on the south shore and the contractor has 4 Brazilian guys working for him so we get to talking and they all have children that live with the grandparents and the husbands and wives all work practically around the clock here, they live in an apartment together (all 8 of them) and they are only here to send the money home. Then today I pull up to a brand new house and must be 12 guys working for a roofing company like bee's all over and only one of them understood english, they were done with the roof by 4p.m on a 3000sq/ft house I will bet my life savings that the only guy making any money was the foreman the rest made POOH and I will also bet 11 of them were being paid cash w/o any benefits or anything else, this goes on a lot more than most think and guys like me have to bid against guys like this roofer

[Joe]

Are you a republican? If you are, you should think about the issue in practical terms of power and forwarding conservative ideology. The language issue and the drain on social services component is not much of a consideration in terms of holding the majority and keeping red states red.

If you're a conservative you should be firmly sided with the Latino population on this point. If the republicans lose the inroads they've made with Latino voters - they're screwed. Lose Congress in the midterms (that looks like a certainty) and lose the White House in 2008 and the only person left espousing hard right ideology will be Rush and Bill O'Reilly.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Joe

Lose Congress in the midterms (that looks like a certainty) and lose the White House in 2008 and the only person left espousing hard right ideology will be Rush and Bill O'Reilly.

one can only hope

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

one can only hope

If you think there will be an improvement your dreaming. Same old same old but with higher taxes, more handout social programs (illegal alien bait).

[Flaptail]

Problem is that the really qualified people who should run for President won't because, a. not enough money personally,b. did something in thier past they are not proud of but it was done in a time of the foolishness of youth (ie: smoke pot), c. wouldn't put thier families through something like a campaign and the negative ads d. are Independents or like myself, non-attached to any party, in this country your chances of getting elected if not a democrat or (God forbid) a conservative republican are almost nil. e. your a not a regular church goer and don't believe you need a middle man to talk to God. f. your a black women or black man or Jewish or both and the first one who is elected ( and someday hopefully they will) will be a target for some redneck or neo-nazi with an itchy trigger finger who is "fighting for his race" whatever that means. g. your educational background is lacking a degree but your common sense and natural degree of inteligence to see right from wrong and judge it so still won't overcome the stigma.

That's all.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Joe

Are you a republican? If you are, you should think about the issue in practical terms of power and forwarding conservative ideology. The language issue and the drain on social services component is not much of a consideration in terms of holding the majority and keeping red states red.

If you're a conservative you should be firmly sided with the Latino population on this point. If the republicans lose the inroads they've made with Latino voters - they're screwed. Lose Congress in the midterms (that looks like a certainty) and lose the White House in 2008 and the only person left espousing hard right ideology will be Rush and Bill O'Reilly.

Unlike you, i don't sell my soul to a political party. Yes i hold conservative views, but i don't support bending over and doing whatever it takes to win and get votes for the republican party. Especially if it meens going against what you believe. I put the country first and always will. If doing what's right means losing votes and support, then so be it. Sometimes the right thing is not always the popular thing.