Taxes

[Maloney]

$ 50 Billion? Don't challange you on that because I don't know. How about all the "under the table" money? What is the differential between the hourly pay for a citizen and what is paid to an illegal? If I lose my job and am willing to cut grass for milk and bread will I be paid a fair wage or the illegal wage? Or be told: you are a citizen, too bad.

[JohnR]

Skippy - if the current administration were fiscally repsonsible to the republican mantra, awwww nevermind, you just keep plugging yourslef into the BNN (Bush News Network) everynight, OK? At least it is worth the entertainment value...

I owe, I owe....

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Skippy - if the current administration were fiscally repsonsible to the republican mantra, awwww nevermind, you just keep plugging yourslef into the BNN (Bush News Network) everynight, OK? At least it is worth the entertainment value...

I owe, I owe....

Yes the current admin spends WAY to much. Most Conservatives have issues with this as well. I dont think i ever mentoined Bush in my statement earlier so i dont know where ya got that from. My point was that generally Reps are more prone to letting the folks keep more of thier money, while that other party believes in a large goverment and has no problem raping the Americans for even more tax money. I know what side i like! If you Dems enjoy paying higher taxes more power to you. But i'd rather keep more of MY money and have the Gov spend more wisely.(Yes that meens you too W) Tax increases should be for desperate times only, not so we can spend more on Welfare and social programs that only keep people dependant on recieving Gov money. And i dont enjoy paying my tax money toward Illegals either. Thats just BS

[mikecc]

[QUOTE][just to set the record straight...I've heard that about 50 Billion in tax revenue is collected from illegal workers who don't see a cent of it in deferred benefits. They might just be subsidizing themselves!/QUOTE]

THE SAME PAYING 50 BILLION ARE S#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&G 100 BILLION OUT OF THE SYSTEM

[TheSpecialist]

I already got both my refunds. Got almost 8g's back. Between having the baby, and my wif not working, put me in a lower bracket.

[spence]

Originally Posted by mikecc

THE SAME PAYING 50 BILLION ARE S#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&G 100 BILLION OUT OF THE SYSTEM

Perhaps, but based on what?

I'm not saying that illegals don't suck off the system, but that there's a give and a take.

In addition to that, who do you think picks the lettuce you eat, or hand sprays the soybeans used in a multitude of products?

This isn't to say that our open border isn't a problem, it certainly is, but there is a huge value add to our way of life these people also provide. 1 in 20 US workers are undocumented!

Any border policy needs to take this into account, or it will fail.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

In addition to that, who do you think picks the lettuce you eat, or hand sprays the soybeans used in a multitude of products?

thats a very valid point... i dont forsee in our future blue collar males in their mid 40's out picking tomatoes for $40 an hour... But, on the other hand, i can see these same guys picking tomatoes for $10 an hour after they loose their jobs to china and cant find any other work.

[TheSpecialist]

The illegals affect this country in many ways. They have a large affect on the rental market. They will live 5-10 in a two bedroom apt, and won't think twice about paying 1500 a month for it either. Now if you were a husband and wife with 2 kids, your wife stays at home to raise the kids, and lets be generous and say you make 70,000/ year. Are you going to be able to afford 1500/month for an apt, 2 car payments, insurance through the roof on the cars cause of all the insurance scams the illegals pull, clothes, food, and utilites? It goes on and on and on..

Now let's say there are no more illegals, you had to pluck lettuce. Who's to say that the lettuce guy isn't enjoying such huge profits now, that he would not be able to absorb some of the cost of raising wages to attract AMERICANS. If you had to pay .25 / per head of lettuce more would it kill you ?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Maloney

How about all the "under the table" money? What is the differential between the hourly pay for a citizen and what is paid to an illegal?

How about all the under the table money with business in general? There's plenty of corruption to go around.

As for wages...I think it really depends on the industry. While I'm sure there is a lot of very low wage labor in the service industries, in some sectors like agriculture the pay is actually very good as the illegal workers are much more productive than their American counterparts.

-spence