Gas, the war, and our future... this makes you think!

[Diamond Tackle]

Makes me think you guys have too much time on your hands.
Keep predicting the collapse of our society and how its all OUT fault and your wish may come true.
Its certainly not the fault of those poor freedom fighters that strap bombs to themselves and want to kill all the infidels like you and me.

Bliz, If you QUOTE someone, its just common sense(and your legal obligation) to give that person credit, You learn that in like what 7th grade?
I got you LOVE PM by the way , right back at you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Tinman

Keep predicting the collapse of our society and how its all OUR fault and your wish may come true.
Its certainly not the fault of those poor freedom fighters that strap bombs to themselves and want to kill all the infidels like you and me.

So you think there are no long term consequences to energy dependence or fiscal imbalance?

This appears to be "head in the sand" sort of thinking.

Problems do often correct themselves, but given the dramatic changes to our world the old solutions may not longer be applicable.

Why are you so afraid of "ideas"?

-spence

[Diamond Tackle]

Im just afraid of your ideas spence.oke:

"So you think there are no long term consequences to energy dependence or fiscal imbalance?"

In a few years we will no longer be dependent on foreing energy, this is just a speedbump IMO. CHINA will then be dependent on foreign energy. Longterm for us I think solar,Hydro,nuclear(or as bush likes to pronouce it "nuclar", see I have a sense of humor) and other non follsil fuels will make up the difference in the demand that exceeds the supply at this time. As to the fiscal imbalance, i will leave that to the beancounters in power, as much as we dont like the sound of 7 trill dollars, im sure they are more qualified than you or I to make the #s work. I would rather be alive and broke, than rich under 6 feet of dirt. See how easy that is ?

"This appears to be "head in the sand" sort of thinking."

Nahh, just a little faith in the people we elected and the troops that are fighting for your freedoms overseas.
Thre only head in the sand thinking I see, is from people that think we can just simply walk away from this mess and all the problems will all just go away.

"Problems do often correct themselves, but given the dramatic changes to our world the old solutions may not longer be applicable."

SO why dont you put on that thinking cap of yours and come up with some viable solutions, and then get them to the right people via proper channels, rather than playing monday morning quarterback here with us who are " so afraid of "ideas"?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Tinman

In a few years we will no longer be dependent on foreing energy, this is just a speedbump IMO.

while i am not disagreing with you, Massachusetts just voted down a wind farm that could have provided alot of juice to the grid.. the reason- "it will look ugly and ruin my ocean view" shesh

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

while i am not disagreing with you, Massachusetts just voted down a wind farm that could have provided alot of juice to the grid.. the reason- "it will look ugly and ruin my ocean view" shesh

I told ya the Kennedys sucked Nebe!

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I told ya the Kennedys sucked Nebe!

didnt you get the memo? they all suck, and some suck more than others.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

didnt you get the memo? they all suck, and some suck more than others.

have to agree with ya on that one

[spence]

Originally Posted by Tinman

In a few years we will no longer be dependent on foreing energy, this is just a speedbump IMO. CHINA will then be dependent on foreign energy. Longterm for us I think solar,Hydro,nuclear(or as bush likes to pronouce it "nuclar", see I have a sense of humor) and other non follsil fuels will make up the difference in the demand that exceeds the supply at this time.

In a few years? I'm not sure where you get your optimism...

We're probably about 15-20 years behind the curve in developing alternate sources of energy that can have a meaningful impact on our energy demands. While there are some options, I've yet to see anything that's going to solve the problem.

We know that the energy industry is in no rush to progress. Fossil fuels contain a huge amount of cheap energy. What's the incentive for industry to bear the tremendous cost to move?

There isn't one...

Yes, industry will eventually shift...but what's the national security and economic impact if there's a crunch in 5 -10 years like most experts predict, and the solution for the masses is still years off?

As to the fiscal imbalance, i will leave that to the beancounters in power, as much as we dont like the sound of 7 trill dollars, im sure they are more qualified than you or I to make the #s work.

But the beancounters in Congress have SOLD YOU OUT to corporate interests focused on shareholder value...not your children.

Thre only head in the sand thinking I see, is from people that think we can just simply walk away from this mess and all the problems will all just go away.

Why so black and white?

If you don't agree with the current course than you stand for nothing?

That's patently absurd.

SO why dont you put on that thinking cap of yours and come up with some viable solutions, and then get them to the right people via proper channels, rather than playing monday morning quarterback here with us who are " so afraid of "ideas"?

I'm trying to vote in those I think will help as well as educate others on what the problems are, so they can vote as well.

-spence