Old techniques vs. New tactics

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Joe

I'm not sure soft plastics are a good example of a hype product. Because it ain't hype. I'd say its more of an evolution.
They weigh at close to 2oz - so a moderate plug rod can throw one -most people have a rod with a 2oz sweet spot.
You don't need any special reel.
They come in a host of different colors and patterns.
They don't stink, or rot, or die. So you can stick them in your pocket and not have to worry about forgetting them and ruining a wading coat.
Their cheap enough to throw in boulder field.
You can present them with a lot of action.
The baitshop does not need to be open and you don't have to worry about looking into a tank full of shoestrings.
In the hands of someone who knows what they are doing, they will outfish almost anything.

Someone has been drinking McKenna's coolaid.

[Joe]

Ahh to be a critic - how I envy you....

[Nebe]

I'll add my 19 cents.. last spring i fished only wood & i did pretty good.. summer, i used eels did alright.. then in the fall i fished sluggos...man oh man.. i did so well with the sluggo's i will hardly use wood this year. Of course i wont be using sluggo's anymore, but i am sold on the soft plastic way of thinking.

ASk Nib about how i took him to cow country... he was plugging and i was pitching rubber..

Rubber is where its at... be it, sluggo, real-eels, ronz, ultimus.. and yes, even mine

[Sea Dangles]

[QUOTE=Nebe]I'll add my 19 cents.. last spring i fished only wood & i did pretty good.. summer, i used eels did alright.. then in the fall i fished sluggos...man oh man.. i did so well with the sluggo's i will....
This is where I get confused because in the next post,"there's no question eels outfish..."it seems contradictory.I'm sure Eben is being honest about his success with rubber.Steve's success has certainly been well documented also and he stands nothing to gain financially so his credibility can't be questioned.I've also seen footage on Joe's site of Steve's cow which he himself equated to some kind of horseshoe in a dark,smelly area.
My concern is,how many people want to cast and retrieve all night with the frequency and speed that has been recommended.Cast,reel fast and twitch,cast again.Steve does this with an 8'6" stick because he is an angler that's been there before and knows he can battle big momma.Most R.I. surfcasters use big,long,beefy sticks to control the cow they dream of being on the other end of their line.After an hour of this method I predict the enthusiasm will diminish.
I don't think this well promoted rubber hype will stand the test of time.I also don't consider it to be a"big fish"bait.It will not replace the allure of swimming a Danny,Needle,darter or certainly the live eel.Close your eyes,reel slow,hold on.Rubber? occasionally.

[Joe]

Strange thing is, for years there were a lot of products floating around that made false claims - that sucked, essentially. Here we got one that works - so rather than accept it, we create new arguments. We look for something wrong.

Here's the thing though - if I wanted to lie to promote and sell something that does work for the sake of my own pocket lining - I could do that very easily. Why would I do that when there are so many things that work? Ripping people off is the domain of the lazy and the unimaginative.

Tradition and change are not at odds with each other. I'll be doing other things that preserve the traditions of the last century, which perpetuate the methods of the past.

[Krispy]

Whoah Joe,
nobody came close to claiming you were ripping anyone off or that sluggos are not a fish catching item. Everyone knows SRI has the highest integrity here.
What happens is a snowball effect, a new product catches, someone makes a note worthy catch, people are talking about it, more discussions and before you know it, its like the only thing that catches anymore.
And its not and this thread was not, directed solely at any one product. Merely a question of what the value is in placing faith in new lures over time tested ones. Sluggos/eels, spooks/dannys, storms/jigs etc.

[spence]

This is a silly/dumb argument.

I'd wager unless there's been a "controlled" study of catch by lure type that most opinions are heavily jaded, relative or otherwise skewed.

Hard money says that Stevie Van Stall and a Sluggo will outfish Spence and an eel 5:1...

Granted, I'd look a hell of a lot better, but does that mean the rubber is the superior lure?

-spence

[JohnR]

The Sea Spook, errr. Sea Pup, was a FANTASTIC reincarnation of the old technique

[piemma]

Originally Posted by spence

This is a silly/dumb argument.

I'd wager unless there's been a "controlled" study of catch by lure type that most opinions are heavily jaded, relative or otherwise skewed.

Hard money says that Stevie Van Stall and a Sluggo will outfish Spence and an eel 5:1...

Granted, I'd look a hell of a lot better, but does that mean the rubber is the superior lure?

-spence

No one will ever look better than "Sir Cedric Cesspool" alias Spence.
Tell 'bout the night you went home cause your hat didn't match your shirt.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by spence

Hard money says that Stevie Van Stall and a Sluggo will outfish Spence and an eel 5:1...


-spence

Maybe Spence, but I've seen the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& "smoke" Little Stevie when the #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is fishin' eels

[Nebe]

[QUOTE=Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I'll add my 19 cents.. last spring i fished only wood & i did pretty good.. summer, i used eels did alright.. then in the fall i fished sluggos...man oh man.. i did so well with the sluggo's i will....
This is where I get confused because in the next post,"there's no question eels outfish..."it seems contradictory.I'm sure Eben is being honest about his success with rubber.Steve's success has certainly been well documented also and he stands nothing to gain financially so his credibility can't be questioned.I've also seen footage on Joe's site of Steve's cow which he himself equated to some kind of horseshoe in a dark,smelly area.
My concern is,how many people want to cast and retrieve all night with the frequency and speed that has been recommended.Cast,reel fast and twitch,cast again.Steve does this with an 8'6" stick because he is an angler that's been there before and knows he can battle big momma.Most R.I. surfcasters use big,long,beefy sticks to control the cow they dream of being on the other end of their line.After an hour of this method I predict the enthusiasm will diminish.
I don't think this well promoted rubber hype will stand the test of time.I also don't consider it to be a"big fish"bait.It will not replace the allure of swimming a Danny,Needle,darter or certainly the live eel.Close your eyes,reel slow,hold on.Rubber? occasionally.

to clarify my statements I dont use eels much, so i am not that good at it. I miss alot of hits, and i cast alot of eels off.. In the right hands an eel is deadly, but in my hands an eel is not the best. A sluggo or one of my rigged rubber eels in my hands paired with an allstar 1088 and an Abu Garcia 6500 Chrome rocket or my 1213M with an avet sx is pure chemistry... I wouldnt trade it for anything. I fish to fish sometimes and sometimes its not fish that i am after.

[Sea Dangles]

Excellent response, I too fish just to fish.I think a lot of great products have come out this year that will take impressive fish due to a lot of exposure.Needles were also the ticket for me last year on the majority of large.Over 30#last year I caught fish on many weapons; Needles,eels,pogy,jigs.Anything can do the trick when deployed at the right time.

[Pete_G]

I guess to summarize my previous post I'll borrow a quote from Morpheus. "Free your mind".

Do baitfish turn black at night? Or white during the day? Why should your plugs? It's a decent "rule" of plug color choice but I don't live and die by it.

Do what feels right and fish what catches fish for you. Confidence in you're offering to the fish, new or old, is very important.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I fish to fish sometimes and sometimes its not fish that i am after.

As my red spanked rear end can attest.

Nebe, you and Dangles really need to hit the East Wall together

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

As my red spanked rear end can attest.

Trollin for colon