A Day Without Immigrants!

[spence]

Not stupid at all, Skippy was bashing lawbreakers...I was just reminding him that he has something in common with illegal aliens...

They are both guilty of commiting a civil offence.

-spence

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

Not stupid at all, Skippy was bashing lawbreakers...I was just reminding him that he has something in common with illegal aliens...

They are both guilty of commiting a civil offence.

-spence

If you do not know te difference, then you have no place in this thread, see, all the wise cracking you do might seem funny to you, but it makes you seem like you have no real imput, and to me, it erodes your integrity and portrays you as a jester. And what do jesters do? Act silly for the amusment of others.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Not stupid at all, Skippy was bashing lawbreakers...I was just reminding him that he has something in common with illegal aliens...

They are both guilty of commiting a civil offence.

-spence

Comparing a speeding ticket with people hopping fences and coming to the US ILLEGALLY is a stretch.

Your making excuses for them again....

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Comparing a speeding ticket with people hopping fences and coming to the US ILLEGALLY is a stretch.

Your making excuses for them again....

that is why when he started making comment like that and the illegal imigrants cutting in line , I just dismissed his opinion completly.

[BigFish]

I know you are but what am I?!?!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Comparing a speeding ticket with people hopping fences and coming to the US ILLEGALLY is a stretch.

Your making excuses for them again....

Nope, let's try this again Skippy.

Someone who crosses the border in an improper manner is violating immigration law which is a civil offence. It's not a felony or considered a subtantial crime.

So it's not all that much different from your speeding problem, just a different court. You are both lawbreakers and should be punished under the law.

Now, there are many who want to make it a more serious crime...but that's another argument.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Nope, let's try this again Skippy.

Someone who crosses the border in an improper manner is violating immigration law which is a civil offence. It's not a felony or considered a subtantial crime.

So it's not all that much different from your speeding problem, just a different court. You are both lawbreakers and should be punished under the law.

Now, there are many who want to make it a more serious crime...but that's another argument.

-spence

There are degree's of seriousness and punishishment in regards to civil offenses. The punishment for all civil offenses are not equal because some civil offenses are more serious than others. Speeding to illegal border crossing are not equal offenses and the argument that are equal does not hold water..

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

There are degree's of seriousness and punishishment in regards to civil offenses. The punishment for all civil offenses are not equal because some civil offenses are more serious than others. Speeding to illegal border crossing are not equal offenses and the argument that are equal does not hold water..

The fines allocated for illegal immigration and speeding are quite similar. I think the law stipulates 50-250 dollars for a first violation for a basic immigration violation.

It's precisely why we have such a problem, the penalites are very weak and there's little ability for the vast majority of law enforcement to do anything about it.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

The fines allocated for illegal immigration and speeding are quite similar. I think the law stipulates 50-250 dollars for a first violation for a basic immigration violation.

It's precisely why we have such a problem, the penalites are very weak and there's little ability for the vast majority of law enforcement to do anything about it.

-spence

The glaring difference between the consequences of speeding and illegal border crossing is: when caught speeding you are not sent to a detention center for an indefinite period of time awaiting deportation. Thats because of the fact that illegal border crossing is far more serious than speeding and the consequences of detention and deportation reflect the difference in severity of the two civil offenses.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Thats because of the fact that illegal border crossing is far more serious than speeding and the consequences of detention and deportation reflect the difference in severity of the two civil offenses.

I believe most of the illegals who are sent to dentention centers are also thought to be in violation of criminal statutes or considered a danger to the general population.

According to the Department of Homeland Security, in 2003 there were 1,046,422 apprehensions yet only 231,500 were actually sent to detention facilities.

-spence

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

Nope, let's try this again Skippy.

Someone who crosses the border in an improper manner is violating immigration law which is a civil offence. It's not a felony or considered a subtantial crime.

So it's not all that much different from your speeding problem, just a different court. You are both lawbreakers and should be punished under the law.

Now, there are many who want to make it a more serious crime...but that's another argument.

-spence

So are you basicly trying to tell us that YOU believe traffic violation is just as bad as illegal imagration? We already know the government's stand, we don't need you to point that out, this discussion is about how to change the way our government is handling the situation, not point out how it has failed, we all know out government is failing us on this issue.

[spence]

I'm not saying there's parity...but rather putting the violation in context for those clammoring about "illegal" bahavior...

-spence