A Day Without Immigrants!

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

We don't care?

I'm still trying to get over the "illegals contribute nothing to our Country" line from Page 1! Have to agree on the ground rules before you can work towards a solutions.

The way some people here talk illegal workers are nothing more than sub-human leeches.

-spence

They are not citizens and are here illegally, and they hurt the middle and lower class more then they help anything dude, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. Ground rules have been, and are still simple:
they are breaking the law, they need to go, how do we get rid of them.

If you don't agree with those ground rules then you have no business even debating this issue period. The little bit of money they do contribute in collected taxes can be easily consumed by the medical and other legal debt they accrue as a whole. So in the end, they are hurting more than helping.
They get into a car accident, they have no liscense, and no insurance, yeah they get deported, but the poor family who just lost there father gets the shaft. They lose their house and end up on welfare with nothing.

Bah, they are not hurting anyone right? This car accident thing was a big issue in Texas last year.


Point: When your here ilegally, no matter how good you act, because of your status you are forced to break a multitude of laws to function here, including drving a vehicle without liscense or insurance.

[spence]

Originally Posted by ScottC

They are not citizens and are here illegally, and they hurt the middle and lower class more then they help anything dude, just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

There are many who wouldn't agree. In 2001 Alan Greenspan cited a study before Congress indicating "Illegal workers (in Illinois) pay $547 million in taxes yearly, compared to $238 million in services used."

Ground rules have been, and are still simple:
they are breaking the law, they need to go, how do we get rid of them.

The notion that we should get deport all illegal aliens is clearly a minority position...

According to a recent NBC News/WSJ poll only 35% of Americans favored deporting illegal workers, while 61% favored letting them stay, work and pay taxes assuming security conditions were met.

If you don't agree with those ground rules then you have no business even debating this issue period.

Bunk, the majority of the Country and nearly all of Congress doesn't agree with your ground rules.

So in the end, they are hurting more than helping.

Based on what...an anecdote?

-spence

[spence]

Same NBC/WSJ Poll with a slightly different question...

The minority is shrinking

-spence

"Which comes closest to your view about what government policy should be toward illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States? Should the government deport all illegal immigrants back to their home country, allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States in order to work but only for a limited amount of time, or allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States and become U.S. citizens but only if they meet certain requirements over a period of time?"

Deport All - 18%
Remain for Limited Time - 17%
Remain if Meet Certain Requirements - 63%
Unsure - 2%

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

Same NBC/WSJ Poll with a slightly different question...

The minority is shrinking

-spence

that 63% is for LEGAL IMIGRATION! So am I, so is everyone here, do it the right way, or get the hell out

[spence]

Originally Posted by ScottC

that 63% is for LEGAL IMIGRATION! So am I, so is everyone here, do it the right way, or get the hell out

You read the poll wrong...the 63% is either supporting amnesty or legalizing those already here under a guest worker program.

Or from your perspective, rewarding bad bahavior

-spence

[ScottC]

Originally Posted by spence

There are many who wouldn't agree. In 2001 Alan Greenspan cited a study before Congress indicating "Illegal workers (in Illinois) pay $547 million in taxes yearly, compared to $238 million in services used."


The notion that we should get deport all illegal aliens is clearly a minority position...

According to a recent NBC News/WSJ poll only 35% of Americans favored deporting illegal workers, while 61% favored letting them stay, work and pay taxes assuming security conditions were met.


Bunk, the majority of the Country and nearly all of Congress doesn't agree with your ground rules.


Based on what...an anecdote?

-spence

Go tell that to Texas and southern California, The non mexican citizens that are being effected the most are the ones that should be listened to I am willing to bet that the 35% you speak of is based directly in those regions. all the Google info you drum up won't discount that. My father lives is Escondido, and they are just over run with illegals, hell there are deer crossing type signs on the highways with stick figures of people running and dragging thier kids!

It is illegal, no matter how much you google it, it is still illegal and should not be tollerated. Alan greenspan can blow me, there is no difinitive way to prove how much they put it, simple because what they are doing is illegal get it everything has to be an approximation unless they have a way of tracking all thier income, which is impossible becaseu they are ILLEGAL I hope you get to deal with the impacts someday, and lose your job to one of them or another situation. As a matter of fact why don't you just move to southern cal or texas and set up a center that deals with helping them out?

They are taking jobs from Americans, they steal healthcare, and your ok with that too. You should definelty relocate, your needed there.