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Old 05-22-2006, 07:56 AM   #1
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These are my recommendations for a little help

1. If your feeling lazy that day, I could go run your errands for you (Don't use the word "Lazy" if my kids started the argument off w/ calling me lazy that would probably be the end of the discussion)
2. If your not feeling well
3. So you don't have to bring me everywhere
4. If Amy has another sleepover (Lose This one, Parents don't want to here that you want your license so you can sleep somewhere else that night)
5. In case I get a job (Get the Job and show them that you are ready to take on the financial resposibilty of driving a vehicle)
6. When I go to college (Lose this, moot point, when you go to college you'll be old enough to sign for your license yourself)
7. It's a good opportunity for me to get out (and do what???, list some reasons you need to do this)
8. So I can have a life of my own (Lose this, this can sound like an attitude thing, I can almost picture MY daughter with her hands on her hips saying it to me)
9. So I can have some responsibility (I'd reword this to "I've shown I can be a responsible and mature person and then list out some actual instances that you have done so. I would make sure to mention how you handled that kid at school, because that was a great example of maturity and responsibility)
10. I get decent grades (thats a Keepah!!)
11. I'm very mature (lose this as you are addressing it in 9)
12. I am very responsible (Again, lose this as you are addressing it in 9)
13. I'd have more self confidence
14. For when dad and I go out and he's tired..
15. When dad's not around in the summer and you need a second vehicle with other stuff for the business, I can help
16. To get rid of me for the day if needed! [every parents wish, 20% of the time] (lose this, just not a valid argument)
17. So I won't be catching rides with other kids, if i ever went to another competition
18. I'll never be a responsible driver unless I drive and gain experience.

Make sure you spend the absolute most time on listing out examples of how you've shown your maturity and how resposible you've been in the past, the more examples the better your chances. Also make sure you let them know that you want them to be part of the process and you want them to help you so you learn how to do it right.


If it makes you feel any better, My parents wouldn't sign for my license when I was a kid and I was pissed, had to wait until I was 18 to sign for it myself. But now in Hindsight.....They were right.

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Old 05-22-2006, 12:02 PM   #2
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thanks very much, deffinitly will rewrite those.. and i do get the points of the attitude part, i might not have one, but i may sound like it when they read it..



-6:02pm- i rewrote everything, and tdf, you were right on, its a lot better and you hit the points right on the nose..! now i just have to figure out a good time for me to show it to her..

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Old 05-25-2006, 11:42 PM   #3
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i agree in part

with all of tdf's comments
but mostly tattoo Bobs
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plan B
I'd forget the whole
declaration
of responsibility...
(i'm an angel)
gig...blah blah...k
exit stage left..... lol


it's much better to do .....than say....
and let your actions speak
louder than all those
words (even if they are true)
1.
go get the job (first = best reason)
so that you pay for everything...too

car insurance, and car ,gas,,ect.
2. then take a driving safety
course and earn a certificate
of completion so your proven responsible
behind the wheel by a professional
instructer so there's absolutely no doubt.
---------------------------------------------------------------
and then i want you to learn/remember
two things about driving.

1.) brakes perform a negative function
and you should use a lack of acceleration
to act "as your brake" to drive safely/economically.

the reason why is....you'll get in the bad habbit
of bombing around at light speed to save time
(as you PERFECT your driving skills.....)
because
you have such good brakes
...until the day
they fail........
and in that scenario ...you crash...period.

and secondly... 2.) what ever speed
your car is going down the road ok...
40,50, 60, 70 , 80 mph

your body
is also traveling at that speed
never forget that.....ever.

so if you get flung out a broken window
after the car is rolling over and over
or flipping end over end

your gonna keep on traveling
down the road... regardless of
who is/was origionally
behind the wheel.

so please....katie
dont learn this
->the hard way.
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Old 05-25-2006, 11:54 PM   #4
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The Raven speaks the truth.

I'd keep the debate simple, focus on 2 or 3 key themes that are nearly impossible to counter.

Give her a list and it's easy to choose the weakest item and nuke it!

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