black salties-cannot ship to ri

[CaptDom]

I am sorry to those of you on this fine board that thought I was spamming your site up, as it was not my intention. I was unfamiliar with MO here, as I don't really find any easily accessible place on the site on rules and regulations here in regards to posts. I was previously unaware that my posts were taboo. The two threads I chimed on were not started by me either time, I simply felt it necessary to retort to some serious misinformation being brought up and as a result did my thing. It unfortunately degenerated both times to name calling and rants/raves which I tried to avoid at all costs, and only identified myself as the distributor after being called out by another member. I felt it necessary to be truthful and forthcoming, and in no way did I try to use this as a marketing medium; I will refrain from posting anything further on any affiliations I may have. I am in no way connected to any of the baitshops mentioned earlier, I was simply replying to Moses' last post asking to be updated, and am simply a wholesale guy in regards to the aforementioned baits, I do not sell to any of you, the end users.

If I may add one last opinion, I find it sort of exclusionary in more ways than one that representatives of fishing related products are not allowed to chime in to add their views and opinions or facts when their products are brought up by other members of the site, especially when they are attacked or put in a negative spin. If I were a sponsor giving money to your site it would be different, which seems ironic to me as you allow ads and posts by them but not well intentioned posts by non sponsors. As a side note I sent PM message to John R asking what the rules were to posting as a captain/fishing business(the very first day I joined), and was never informed or replied to, sort of in my defense.

Again, I in no way meant to offend anyone or cause problems, and hope that my opinions and views are appreciated for their honesty and good intentions, or if not at the very least tolerated on this open, free, and public fishing-chat site.

[milo]

I dont think that the capt was spamming also,he obviously is the most informed on these,and in no way was pushing it until called out..You guys want info and in the end say he"s spammin' ...WTF you want to use em ,go ahead .. if you dont , then dont ,but dont give the guy %$%$%$%$ for stating the facts then chop him at the knees ...fire away

[nightfighter]

CaptDom has been upfront about his profession and his affiliation with this bait from his first post. (yes, I reviewed mopst of them) His posts have been well written with information and disclaimers in regards to the threads' subject. Those of you calling out spam should consider what the thread was asking for, and then ask yourself who might be more qualified to give the straight answer than someone 'affiliated' with the company. (Makes me think of a Penn reel thread when folks jumped on the company for not responding with the skinny........)

[JohnR]

I'm firing Milo


Cap Dom -

Item 1: Your affiliation with Black Salties should have been mentioned at the outset. These have potential and the discussion would have been well supported had you mentioned that you have a financial interest in this product. The way you did handle this was spam, borderline, informative, and reasonable discussion, but still mild spam. You could have asked and added to the conversation properly by disclosing that you are involved with the B.S.

Item 2:

I was unfamiliar with MO here, as I don't really find any easily accessible place on the site on rules and regulations here in regards to posts. I was previously unaware that my posts were taboo.

Remember that little blurb when you registered to the site that states: Commercial Advertising without written permission from Striped-Bass.com is Strictly Prohibited, this includes self promotion and promotion of external entities. This is locally considered "SPAM" and is prohibited at Striped-Bass.com. FURTHER, the registering of accounts, mannualy and automated, to solicit services on this forum is expressly forbidden and will be reported - You clicked on the part where it asked you to read the rules and agree.

Item 3:

As a side note I sent PM message to John R asking what the rules were to posting as a captain/fishing business(the very first day I joined), and was never informed or replied to, sort of in my defense.

You joined on S-B Feb 21, 2006 at 10:45 pm. I will cleary state that you did NOT send me a PM on the "very first day". You sent one at 6:30 last night in reply to my request, if you were affiliated with B.S.

Item 4:

If I may add one last opinion, I find it sort of exclusionary in more ways than one that representatives of fishing related products are not allowed to chime in to add their views and opinions or facts when their products are brought up by other members of the site, especially when they are attacked or put in a negative spin. If I were a sponsor giving money to your site it would be different, which seems ironic to me as you allow ads and posts by them but not well intentioned posts by non sponsors.

We DO allow and encourage this discourse by "knowlegeable" people regarding a product but they should introduce themselves AND their affiliation should be clearly stated from the beginning. Your posts were spamish of the B.S. but they were also somewhat informative.

Item 5:

and am simply a wholesale guy in regards to the aforementioned baits, I do not sell to any of you, the end users.

As being the "wholesale guy", you have much to profit from through advancing the PR of the B.S.

Item 6:

It unfortunately degenerated both times to name calling and rants/raves which I tried to avoid at all costs, and only identified myself as the distributor after being called out by another member.

Yet, you were happy enough to degenerate into railing against DEM when they were squashing YOUR agenda

Item 7:

Again, I in no way meant to offend anyone or cause problems, and hope that my opinions and views are appreciated for their honesty and good intentions, or if not at the very least tolerated on this open, free, and public fishing-chat site.

The open and free and lights kept on by sponsors where the registration agreement states no commercial advertising of any kind without permission first public fishing chat-site

Oakie knows you and if he vouches for you that is a pretty stinkin' good reference in my opinion. HOWEVER, you did not disclose your affiliation, and your agenda, plus you have made a few inaccurate statements here. Please be more honest and open in the future (and read the rules).

Thanks,

John

[Skitterpop]

John R Good post man.

[CaptDom]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm firing Milo


Cap Dom -

Item 1: Your affiliation with Black Salties should have been mentioned at the outset. These have potential and the discussion would have been well supported had you mentioned that you have a financial interest in this product. The way you did handle this was spam, borderline, informative, and reasonable discussion, but still mild spam. You could have asked and added to the conversation properly by disclosing that you are involved with the B.S.

Item 2:
Remember that little blurb when you registered to the site that states: Commercial Advertising without written permission from Striped-Bass.com is Strictly Prohibited, this includes self promotion and promotion of external entities. This is locally considered "SPAM" and is prohibited at Striped-Bass.com. FURTHER, the registering of accounts, mannualy and automated, to solicit services on this forum is expressly forbidden and will be reported - You clicked on the part where it asked you to read the rules and agree.

Item 3: You joined on S-B Feb 21, 2006 at 10:45 pm. I will cleary state that you did NOT send me a PM on the "very first day". You sent one at 6:30 last night in reply to my request, if you were affiliated with B.S.

Item 4:

We DO allow and encourage this discourse by "knowlegeable" people regarding a product but they should introduce themselves AND their affiliation should be clearly stated from the beginning. Your posts were spamish of the B.S. but they were also somewhat informative.

Item 5: As being the "wholesale guy", you have much to profit from through advancing the PR of the B.S.


Item 6: Yet, you were happy enough to degenerate into railing against DEM when they were squashing YOUR agenda

Item 7:
The open and free and lights kept on by sponsors where the registration agreement states no commercial advertising of any kind without permission first public fishing chat-site

Oakie knows you and if he vouches for you that is a pretty stinkin' good reference in my opinion. HOWEVER, you did not disclose your affiliation, and your agenda, plus you have made a few inaccurate statements here. Please be more honest and open in the future (and read the rules).

Thanks,

John

Item 1:
Reread my orginal post on 5-01-2006 in regards to this, I think you will see I did mention this fact from the outset.

Item 2:No, I don't remember it, which is why I tried asking you in an email(not the afore mentioned PM as I had originally thought) that was never replied to. If you inadvertently didn't do this or it never reached you, that I can understand, and I didn't resend it in your defense.

Item 3:Last nights PM was in reference to my now clear understanding after searching the site thouroughly for rules and regs on posting and getting an email explaining this to me. I also asked you for rates on advertising in that same PM, still waiting for a response.

Item 4:By your quotations on "knowledgeable" it seems to me you are questioning my "knowledge", and if that is the case you are clearly not aware of my education on this and many other topics nor did you pay much attention to my fact based, reference quoted posts on this matter in question. I never once stated an opinion based on fallicies or conjecture. I did not start either of these threads, I may have overstepped my bounds, and am willing to admit that and apologized openly, and to you in my PM of last night.

Item 5:Guilty as charged.

Item 6:I did not attack a person individually, I stated my very real issues with a body of government acting with no legal precedence or regulations backing them by denying a permit given in 2005, again in 2006, then rescinding it for 3 weeks with no explanantion, and finally passing an emergency rule which goes uncontested by the public for 120 days until it can be publicly reviewed and commented on. I will continue to "rail" against a government which operates in many facets aginst my political and common sense values. Period.

Item 7:Again, guilty as charged, but still waiting to hear the rates for sponsorship of this fine site.
again will state that the rules and regs on this site are very difficult to find. I was hinting that maybe you should put a sticky on a general rule review or put a link to it somewhere easier to find.....

un-numbered subtext:
I did make, in my opinion, very borderline but very few if any innaccurate statements here. I would also again counter that I did make my affiliation known from the start, but if it wasn't clear in my post by stating I at the very beginning didn't feel it appropriate considering my profession, than I apologize again. I certainly will assert that my posts were open, and honest, always, so no need to address that in the future, thanks.

Furthermore:
I did apologize the first time(and in above mentioned PM of last night), a fact which you conveniently failed to recognize or mention in your well thought out and highlighted response to mine. I also know personally other members here, and think that they could vouch for my character and good intentions. I never once was disrepectful of others, did not resort to name calling, and still feel I was open and straightforward. That however, is just my opinion, and again, if misinterpreted or misunderstood through my fault or not, I AGAIN apologize. I still hope that if my opinions are not respected and agreed with, that at least they are tolerated.

Thanks,

Dom

[fishaholic18]

Become a paying sponsor if JR will allow it-----problem solved.

[CaptDom]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

Become a paying sponsor if JR will allow it-----problem solved.

JR replied in kind to my PM of last night, and explained the issues to me quite clearly and professionally. I would become a sponsor of this fine site if room would allow, so maybe in the future that can occur. Until then I promise to behave and only chime in non affiliated, proper topics in the future. I do value and appreciate the members here for their opinions and clearly very knowledgeable posts and information exchanged. I meant no disrespect or wanted to create any problems, I just got caught up in my passion and overstepped my bounds based on the rules which I admittedly was ignorant of.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by CaptDom

JR replied in kind to my PM of last night, and explained the issues to me quite clearly and professionally. I would become a sponsor of this fine site if room would allow, so maybe in the future that can occur. Until then I promise to behave and only chime in non affiliated, proper topics in the future. I do value and appreciate the members here for their opinions and clearly very knowledgeable posts and information exchanged. I meant no disrespect or wanted to create any problems, I just got caught up in my passion and overstepped my bounds based on the rules which I admittedly was ignorant of.

Understood.
Glad you and JR were able to work it out civilly.

[Skitterpop]

Spence and I are working on a wonderful recipe.


Stay tuned!

[JohnR]

As we continue to split hairs... Understand that this is not what would eloquently be described as a "pissing contest"

1) I have read a few times the first thread you joined on about the Black Salties and while you allude to being involved you do not say that you have a professional affiliation with B.S.

2) That is there for a reason

3) No PM - did you send an email? Possible, the only thing I get more of than PMs (1500 in a few months at last count) is email which is about 400 per day. Some get lost, filtered, and whatever.

4) The quotes are not sarcastic, like i sad in PM and on the thread, if your background is what it is and your posts certainly indicate that then you are probably who you say you are.

6) DEM has significant problems, many of which are a result of underfunding. I sure as hell don't always agree with them but I do respect a lot of them of more often than not TRYING to do a decent job. Want a more accurate accounting and management and resource driven DEM? Support them for more funding.

7) Stickies for this stickies for that - not enough room for the discussion if we sticky to death. It is pretty clear in the registration part, helps to actually read it though.

addendums ad nauseum

Yes, some was borderline and for the most part, I though informative, but I do need to look through it with the lense that you have a vested interest which does introduce some bias into your statements. Again, I thought it was knowledgeable and good argument (though I don't always agree)... Also understand that when a lot of people hard spam things get ugly and many members, understandably, watch with a suspicious eye...

As for your PM, I replied to your PM, the thread I replied to in the thread. I sent you another PM btw...

So can we call this topic and tit for tat done? I need to do my real job now...

Thanks,

John