Nauset News - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

gone fishin · 06-17-2006, 08:53 PM

OK for all that are pissed off about Nauset and race point, think about this beach for a moment. Plum Island is a awsome area to fish and does allow off road vehicles for beach use. Beach use is defined as FISHING -- you must be actively fishing, or off ya go. PI is open only from mid August til Labor Day. That is only about a month of use folks, and that is if you are lucky.

Now for those who think the MBBA is a bunch of drunks out there for a good time think again. The MBBA does more than any other organization to protect the beaches and maintain high standards of use. Karl is correct that the MBBA is widespread and is governed by a small group who are in charge of more than access. Those who are not familiar with the organization should at least visit the website of the MBBA and look at the scheduled events that take place each year. I am a member (as you can easily figure) and I do attend the events, but not all meetings due to travel distance. The great majority of members are surf casting fishermen, not boat owners and do try and protect their rights to access to the beaches.

Please, this closure is another tool to limit our access to the fishing grounds we all love. Lets not sling mud between groups, but unify and help maintain beach access for ALL!

tattoobob · 06-17-2006, 09:16 PM

Don very well put, Just a simple correction about PLum Island,
they changed the rules last year Labor day to 10/31 and you don't have to be actively fishing until dusk to dawn. no sleeping. unless your in a SCV

ThrowingTimber · 06-18-2006, 06:28 PM

They taste like a cross between white rhino and bald eagle

Everyone bring your drivers down to your nearest beach and some t's... problem solved

Flaptail · 06-19-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gone fishin

OK for all that are pissed off about Nauset and race point, think about this beach for a moment. Plum Island is a awsome area to fish and does allow off road vehicles for beach use. Beach use is defined as FISHING -- you must be actively fishing, or off ya go. PI is open only from mid August til Labor Day. That is only about a month of use folks, and that is if you are lucky.

Now for those who think the MBBA is a bunch of drunks out there for a good time think again. The MBBA does more than any other organization to protect the beaches and maintain high standards of use. Karl is correct that the MBBA is widespread and is governed by a small group who are in charge of more than access. Those who are not familiar with the organization should at least visit the website of the MBBA and look at the scheduled events that take place each year. I am a member (as you can easily figure) and I do attend the events, but not all meetings due to travel distance. The great majority of members are surf casting fishermen, not boat owners and do try and protect their rights to access to the beaches.

Please, this closure is another tool to limit our access to the fishing grounds we all love. Lets not sling mud between groups, but unify and help maintain beach access for ALL!

Are you talking about the closure at Plum Island or the G-men using the Plovers to stick it to us rtather than they being in a can't win situation cause if they don't close the beach the Dept. of Interior and US F&W will be up thier ass and if they do close them we are up thier asses?

I do not think the plover is being "used" to stick it to the surf and beach crowd. One thing I have noticed and maybe I should keep my mouth shut is that the rangers on the Seashore beaches, except for crowd control tactics at sticker sales time are virtually absent when the fisherman descend on the beaches at night at RP to Truro. 15 years ago they would acost you if you sitting in your vehicle or God forbid, taking a snooze. Now they hardly botheer with you.

Like anything, once the feds get thier hands on a "species restoration" project as the USFWS has with the plovers and the mountains of burocracy to get the plan implemented, running and then to have their field people, who are scared to death of lawsuits from Enviro groups, release the species from the endangered list, it will be a span of 15 to 20 years. And might I add, are plovers are doing alright, better than the current minimum levels to be taken off the list but coast wide, especially along Long Island beaches, thier numbers are in the toilet, so being that it is a national program, until the NY, NJ populations respond we ain't going to see any difference in the closure scene in Massachusetts. We pay for thier shortcomings at restoration of populations.

SBASS1 · 06-19-2006, 12:28 PM

Lets hope Nature eats the probems quickly!

Sweetwater · 06-19-2006, 03:37 PM

Many good points made by people here. And some of you may already know my point of view on this from previous threads on the subject. I believe that vehicular traffic is a minor endangerment to birds compared to predation by foxes, coyotes, skunks, racoons, gulls, crows, and feral animals (cats and dogs). It is will known that many predatory animals have, over the years, learned that the exclosures (designed to protect the plover chicks) actually attract predators who have learned to associate those structures with an easy meal. However, no one wants to deal with the "real" threats (which might include population control of these predators) and it is an easy and politcally correct solution to ban human access. It is a simple and minimally effective form of "managment" (a term I use loosely here).

Regrettably, we live in a world where a certain political segment of the population want to blame humans for all the environmental challenges we face. While humans have created much of the problem, the limited breeding territory available to these birds is NOT solely due to the use of the Cape Cod National Seashore by vehicles. One must look at development and destruction of habitat from a wide range of more permanent sources.

The "Catch 22" that we'll all be facing soon is that if the Piping Plover population does recover in larger numbers, that will mean more nests, more chicks, and more beach closures. I predict that over the next few years, the success of programs designed to improve plover breeding success will highten (not lesson) restrictions.

CAL · 06-20-2006, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweetwater

The "Catch 22" that we'll all be facing soon is that if the Piping Plover population does recover in larger numbers, that will mean more nests, more chicks, and more beach closures. I predict that over the next few years, the success of programs designed to improve plover breeding success will highten (not lesson) restrictions.

I agree with this 100%. Once the population's back up (if that happens) you can kiss access to the backside goodbye forever just to keep it up.

CANAL RAT · 06-21-2006, 08:18 AM

i did not see the signs at scusset for the plovers roped off area and i cut thorugh and had a f-ing bitchy autobon with bonculars lady come up to be and start bitching me out and OH that wasnt enough see had to call the park ranger and tell me that he would give me a warning( OH im real scared) if i cut though again.it wasnt like i hung around in there or was taking pot shots at plover chicks.

the plover lady must have not liked fisherman because i saw two other people cut through that same area and nothing happend and i was not rude to her at all when she spoke to me. i explaned that coyotes and foxs were mostley to blame because of the over popualtion and peta puffers of MA banning trapping for them.

people need to look at the whole picture not just the beach buggy corner that seems to get all the blame and i swear to ***** that the plovers have more rights in MA than humans do.

We try not to be very heavy-handed in moderating, but there are people here who would be offended by that.

vineyardblues · 06-21-2006, 08:39 AM

If they CAN'T COUNT PANDA BEARS ,gee how many plovers are really out their ????

wtf

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