race point over sand permit

[Slingah]

sorry to say...but I think your chit outta luck
look around here...there is a thread on it

[Mike P]

Sorry to say it, but you're pharked. The Feds are offering you a nice consolation prize, free day parking at Herring Cove

While I understand your frustration, I would encourage people to buy permits in the future. Maybe re-think your weekly plans and buy a permit for weeks when you can be pretty sure the beach will be open. IMO the Feds don't give a rat's ass or not whether they sell a single permit, as whatever revenue they bring in is a drop in the bucket for the National Parks Service's operating budget. However, when permit sales shrink to a trickle, it gives them the excuse to take away ORV access in the Seashore for good. Remember, we lost the rest of the outer beach in the 80s, when bass fishing tanked and people started to pass on buying permits. "Why do we need to keep 30 miles of beach open when all the vehicles we sold permits to will fit in 6 miles?"

[Backbeach Jake]

After further thinking on this subject ( who snickered?), I believe that this is about as bad as it will get. The whole shebang is closed for , what, 28-30 days? The time that a Plover takes to hatch and fly. So every year from here on out you can count on the Race being closed from the middle of June to the middle of July. That's just how the birds work. It'll only stay open all season when the birds leave the endangered list. So, it's actually to our advantage not to rush the little wretch's recovery. A little pain=no pain later. I don't like it either but I have to face reality...
MIkeP is right No demand=No access

[MAC]

Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake

That's just how the birds work. It'll only stay open all season when the birds leave the endangered list.

The birds have to reach a certain # of pairs in 3 different wintering areas of the country. Then then have to sustain that # for 15 years before they will be removed. So chances are we may never see them removed in our lifetime.

The worst part is they are only listed as threatened not endangered. If changed to endangered it may bring on a whole new set of rules. I'll keep buying my permit even though it sux to be locked out. If we stop buying permits the bird people will win.

[Flaptail]

Originally Posted by MAC

The birds have to reach a certain # of pairs in 3 different wintering areas of the country. Then then have to sustain that # for 15 years before they will be removed. So chances are we may never see them removed in our lifetime.

The worst part is they are only listed as threatened not endangered. If changed to endangered it may bring on a whole new set of rules. I'll keep buying my permit even though it sux to be locked out. If we stop buying permits the bird people will win.

Bingo!

[Backbeach Jake]

So....it was the bird people snickering. In MA we're forced to pay an extra 5spot on our freshy and hunting licenses for wild lands that we sometimes are shut out of by people who pay not one red cent. This country is turning into one giant bird sanctuary. Details! it's always the details that screw my plans. Seriously tho there are those out there who would make our wild lands into a Disney movie, they have no idea what wild is. Next time we meet ask me to tell you the story of my brother in law and the tree huggers who are now afraid of the woods.

[gone fishin]

I agree with Mac - keep calling the Rangers station for an update. If they don't receive any calls they will figure the bird prople win. Maybe we will get lucky and they will open a part of the beach earlier than the middle of July or so.

ORV line 508-487-3698 or for more information call 508-487-2100 extension 110. The more info will put you on the line with a ranger. Be courtious and don't piss them off by being pushy. If you noticed on your weekly application there was a statement that applied to the beach possibly being shut down. No refunds.