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Old 07-11-2006, 12:55 PM   #1
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an appearance of concern and nothing more

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Old 07-11-2006, 04:34 PM   #2
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I wish that I could make it. We have to make our appearance of concern. New job and no time off. If the beach is worth 150$ sticker it's worth the time. Besides you can fish after.. If you can do it, I urge you to, thanks.
If you do, look up Rich Wood of Nelson's, he's been passionately working his arse off in this deal and needs some backup. Plus, Rich is a great guy to talk fishing with Glad he's on our side.

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Old 07-11-2006, 04:41 PM   #3
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Sorry Fred... I really don`t know.... good info. Its a strange battle yet

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Old 07-13-2006, 05:56 AM   #4
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Sorry Fred... I really don`t know.... good info. Its a strange battle yet
Hey......................... I admitted my ignorance

Though I hope these meeting will help I still do not have much faith in them based on what I`ve read over the years and because of the strength of the laws and the major players of enforcement lack of incentive to change them.

Good luck to all concerned and informed

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Old 07-13-2006, 06:04 AM   #5
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When I brought these problems to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife people
i know we all blame the NPS for the plover bs but the people that have the final say is fish and wildlife ... and face it they don't care about anything else .
people just get in their way .....
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Old 07-13-2006, 06:32 AM   #6
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From todays paper, last nights meeting about Nauset

July 13, 2006

Selectmen make vow to help plovers, beachgoers
By JASON KOLNOS
STAFF WRITER
ORLEANS - There is no hope of reopening access to the parts of Nauset Beach that have been closed to off-road vehicle traffic until piping plover chicks move out, likely in two weeks.

But Orleans and Chatham selectmen pledged last night to work as a collective body in their discussions with state and federal officials on ways to protect the threatened shorebirds while providing beach access to the public.

About 75 people attended the first collaborative meeting between the town boards since all of Nauset Beach south of the Nauset parking lot in Orleans and into Chatham was closed to ORV traffic for the first time ever three weeks ago.

Owners of oceanfront camps on the Chatham side wondered why there was not a way for ORV drivers and the birds to coexist. Several business owners followed with complaints that the ORV closures have cost them thousands of dollars.

Scott Morris, a representative from the Massachusetts Beach Buggy Association, said efforts to protect piping plover nesting areas have gone too far.

''We feel that with extensive monitoring and strategic traffic routing, keeping portions of the beach open during piping plover nesting season will be as successful as it has been for the last several years,'' Morris said.

Morris and others suggested working with lawmakers to create regulations that would allow towns to have more flexibility on their beaches.

Chatham Selectman Sean Summers said Chatham and Orleans should be proud of their previous management techniques and should take a stand against state and federal officials bent on protecting piping plovers without regard to costs imposed on local communities.

''We have left the doctrine of common sense here, because people have the equivalent right to some enjoyment of that beach,'' he said. ''Chatham and Orleans should never be the one to say, 'We'll close the beach.' ''

Scott Melvin, a zoologist with the state Division of Fisheries and Wildlife, said state and federal officials are required by law to protect the habitat that supports the birds.

''It is also illegal to kill, harm or harass (threatened species) or alter their nesting, breeding, feeding or migratory activity,'' Melvin said, noting shoreline bird populations have slowly declined in Massachusetts.

Orleans Selectman John Hinckley Jr. asked Melvin whether there was any room within the law to alter beaches through dune building or fencing that could guide chicks away from areas where they could be run over.

Melvin said such efforts would create a barrier blocking chicks from getting to one area of their habitat to another that could impact feeding patterns.




In the case of Nauset Beach, young plovers have access to a wide beach area and must have access to both the ocean and the bay sides of the beach, he said.

The Chatham and Orleans selectmen likely will meet again in September to search for ways to prevent similar piping plover economic and recreational disruptions next summer.

Jason Kolnos can be reached

at jkolnos@capecodonline.com.

(Published: July 13, 2006)
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Old 07-11-2006, 05:59 PM   #7
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another 2 cents, and, OUT.

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an appearance of concern and nothing more
A lot of folks felt the same with the meetings the NPS held to improve the handling of sticker sales. Input was gathered and applied, and a much better result came from it.

Hopefully, the same will apply here.

There will also be a joint meeting of the Chatham/Orleans Park commissioners, at 6 PM Wednesday, 7/12,in Orleans, at the Town Hall, to discuss similar issues at Nauset. Scott Melvin, the State Plover Officer, (the man behind all the closings), is supposed to be at the Orleans meeting. I hope he will appear at the NPS meeting, as well.

Let us all hope for positive results at all meetings, that will take place over the next several months, as I know there will be more.
Please...Keep emotion and finger pointing out of it. Staff at both beaches, are just doing as they are instructed, by Law. Proposals to keep both beaches open, were submitted, by the beach managers, but, were overridden by Mr. Melvin. Let us try to find out why, and how things can be changed, without the screaming match.

The towns have realized the financial impact, and they have been awakend from their slumber, now is the time for some positive action.

Kudos to Rich, and others involved.
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Old 07-12-2006, 09:21 AM   #8
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I can't make both but will be at Tuesday evenings at 5pm at the Provincelands Visitor Center.

Why even try.........
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Old 07-12-2006, 09:55 AM   #9
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From today's CC Times editorial page:

July 12, 2006

A compromise over piping plovers?
By JIM COOGAN
Overshadowed by the headlines about off-road vehicle restrictions and beach closings due to nesting piping plovers is a story that should illustrate the wider ramifications of reintroducing threatened animals to former habitats.

The Race Point Lighthouse keeper's house in Provincetown was restored about 10 years ago by volunteers of the American Lighthouse Foundation.

The building is rented out to people who come for a night or two to experience the natural beauty of the Cape Cod National Seashore. Normally, an ORV owned by the foundation delivers visitors and supplies via Pole Line road, a sandy dune track.

During the week of June 11, three plover nests hatched and the road was closed. Jim Walker, one of the onsite volunteer directors for the lighthouse, asked Park Superintendent George Price if his group could position a second vehicle closer to the building to meet guests who had to walk the approximate half mile in heavy sand across the no-vehicle zone. He was told that the mandated 200-meter circle buffering each nest could not allow it.

Walker offered to have a person walk in front of the vehicle to see that no baby plovers would be run over. Price told him that only a certified biologist could do this and there were not enough staff available. Faced with an inability to get people easily to the lighthouse, Walker and his volunteers closed the facility and refunded all reservation money.

''This is our peak season,'' said a clearly frustrated Walker. ''Everything we take in goes into maintaining and restoring this and other historic lighthouses. We stand to lose an average of $400 a day until these birds fledge. And we're told that could be as late as mid July. That's a whole month out of what is essentially a five-and-a-half month season.''

I called Price to see if I could get the whole story. As we talked, I could see that, indeed, he is in a difficult position. Clearly, he didn't want to see this lighthouse attraction shut down.

Initially, he even had Craig Thatcher, the North District ranger, helping with luggage transfer across the sand. But that effort couldn't be sustained because of the turnover of guests during the week. Price suggested purchasing a balloon-wheeled cart to pull supplies to the keeper's house. But as most of the guests are over 50 years old, that was not deemed a reasonable solution by the lighthouse people.

''When I brought these problems to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife people,'' Price said, ''I was told that compromise of any sort means dead birds. And my job is to carry out the law. We are personally liable for any actions that we take that might put these birds at risk.''

So here we have two good men and a valuable program stymied by preservation regulations that have no wiggle room. As of July 6, the lighthouse facility was still closed. It's a sad and frustrating situation. Environmentalists have consistently emphasized the endangered status of the piping plover.

But the federal government lists the bird as ''threatened'' in many parts of the country - not endangered. It is more than a subtle difference. The protection of this bird, while important, ignores the plight of those people who scratch out a living in the all-too-short Outer Cape summer season. It's simply cavalier to say, ''Oh, it's only for a few weeks each year.''

The real danger is that people who generally support conservation efforts will become radicalized. We are already hearing of ''salting'' of plover nesting areas with dead animals to attract predators to kill the birds. And the successful recovery of the plovers only means that without some long-term solution that addresses reasonable human concerns, ''the plover problem'' is only going to get worse. And that's not good for humans - or birds.

Jim Coogan is a retired history teacher who lives in Sandwich. E-mail him at coogan206@gis.net

(Published: July 12, 2006)

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Old 07-12-2006, 09:05 PM   #10
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