Israel and World War Three

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I just dont think Isreals actions are unjustified, they have taken extreme measures (gaza pullout) for peace, they then should take extreme measures on the other end, war.

I think individual actions like the Gaza pull-out need to be looked at in context. Yes, the images of the IDF pulling Jewish settlers out of their homes in Gaza were dramatic...but should they have been there in the first place?

It's not like that was a concession as much as a strategic change in position or policy.

It's a very complicated mix of issues for sure.

-spence

["uffah!!"]

Spence, what ever you do for a living, its the wrong thing. You should be in Washington,DC solving the worlds problems. I have never seen one person be on the wrong side of sooooooo many isues in my life. The only thing I agree with, is the fact that this administration needs a big change. And that change is replace all the Democrats with new ones.

[spence]

Originally Posted by uffah!!

Spence, what ever you do for a living, its the wrong thing. You should be in Washington,DC solving the worlds problems. I have never seen one person be on the wrong side of sooooooo many isues in my life. The only thing I agree with, is the fact that this administration needs a big change. And that change is replace all the Democrats with new ones.

And how exactly am I on the wrong side of this issue? Simply because I put the welfare of 300 million americans ahead of 6 million Israelis?

I'd like you to let me know what side of this issue I'm on, because I don't think you really have a clue

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

And how exactly am I on the wrong side of this issue? Simply because I put the welfare of 300 million americans ahead of 6 million Israelis?

I'd like you to let me know what side of this issue I'm on, because I don't think you really have a clue

-spence

You seem to be blaming Isreal for everything and not putting any blame on the Palestinian thugs who start most of this, Isreal has every right to bomb the %$%$%$%$ out of Hamas and Hezballah anytime one of the groups fire rockets and kill Isreali children. I cant beleieve you are on the side of the Palestinians on this issue, You are so on the wrong side. Suporting the Palestinians and thier tacics is not much differerent than showing support for Al Qeada. They are pretty much the same in the tacics they use. This my friend, is why you are on the wrong side of this conflict. All you seem to do is rip Isreal and attempt to justfy the "Palestinian cause" Whatever the hell the damn cause is anyway.

Props to Isreal for taking action again Lebanon, if Hezbalah is storing arms and organizing murder in Isreal, i say good for Isreal for protecting its people. But i know you have a problem with Isreal going on the offesive and protecing its citizens from being slaughtered, dont you Spence?

Isreal has the right to take action, just like the US had the right to take action after our people were slaughterd on 9/11. Only in Isreal, they see mini 9/11's on a daily basis, rocket attacks, suicide bombings etc.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Suporting the Palestinians and thier tacics is not much differerent than showing support for Al Qeada. They are pretty much the same in the tacics they use. This my friend, is why you are on the wrong side of this conflict.

Skippy, your mind is in a very small box indeed

And please don't pretend to understand what my position is, because you...like Uffah don't get it.

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Spence is a well read diplomat and a decent guy...give him a break

I never said who I thought was right or wrong...it cannot be that simple.

What I have said before and am saying now is that this recent conflagration, only one of many over numerous years, could become a catalyst for a World War of an even more pronounced and elevated stature then the one we have been living already for some years.

Its scary really.

Let us try to get along if you will....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Spence is a well read diplomat and a decent guy...give him a break

Awwww shucks

I never said who I thought was right or wrong...it cannot be that simple.

Agreed. It is very complicated and there's been bad behavior on both sides...that's not a statement of parity mind you.

What I have said before and am saying now is that this recent conflagration, only one of many over numerous years, could become a catalyst for a World War of an even more pronounced and elevated stature then the one we have been living already for some years.

It's becoming more clear what Israel intends here, to drive a wedge between the various Palestenian factions. It certainly is risky though...

I think a key factor is that a broader war really doesn't benefit anyone in this situation. Israel looks to be after some incremental gain that may help stabalize the Palestenian government...if it doesn't destroy it in the process.

It's like chemotherapy

-spence

[Skip N]

[QUOTE=Skitterpop]Spence is a well read diplomat and a decent guy...give him a break QUOTE]

So i cant challenge his views because he's a "decent guy"? Get real and learn how to debate. Just because someones a solid gut doesnt mean i cant challenge his views.

I'm sure Jimmy Carter's a pretty good guy too, but he's a nut when it comes to his political views!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

All you seem to do is rip Isreal and attempt to justfy the "Palestinian cause" Whatever the hell the damn cause is anyway.

This is a very interesting statement, I can't believe Skippy is that stupid.

Skippy, could you please elaborate?

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

And how exactly am I on the wrong side of this issue? Simply because I put the welfare of 300 million americans ahead of 6 million Israelis?

I'd like you to let me know what side of this issue I'm on, because I don't think you really have a clue

-spence

You somehow think condemning Miltary action against Terrorists (which is exactly what Israel is doing) is in anyway aiding the welfare of 300 million American?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

You somehow think condemning Miltary action against Terrorists (which is exactly what Israel is doing) is in anyway aiding the welfare of 300 million American?

Depends...If the Israeli actions are more punitive in nature or are disproportionate then they certainly could do more harm to the fragile situation in the reigon, which would negatively impact Americans...

Certianly our defense of some Israeli behavior over the years has dramatically fueled anti-US tension and contributed largely to 9/11. At the time some of these policy decisions may have looked to be beneficial, but with hindsight there has been a cost.

In the context of current events, do we learn from history or continue to potentially repeat the same mistakes?

-spence

[chris L]

jesus was jewish
satan was a palestinian


how about them Irish ?

must be St Patrick who was actually Italian