Israel and World War Three Part Deux

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd note that President Bush's highlight of the week so far was to use his first VETO ever against a bill that everyone but the social conservative extreme right wing is for.

Joe, ya happy now

-spence

You talkin' to me?

No, I'm not happy. Israel is teaching us how to properly prosecute a war against a ruthless, nationless, belligerent enemy. I think we forgot how.

And by the way, President Bush vetoed the use of federal funds for embryonic stem cell research, not the actual legality of the research. Do you know enough about that research to favor committing your federal tax dollars to support it? I sure don't. Have you been assured that there are sufficient moral and ethical protections of human life in embryonic versus adult stem cell research to support it with all Americans' federal tax dollars? I sure haven't. And I think you're being a little extreme yourself in saying that only the "social conservative extreme right wing" supported the decision. Its a lot more than that.

That's enough, don't drag me into these debates anymore. You'll just get me in trouble.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JoeP

You talkin' to me?

No, I'm not happy. Israel is teaching us how to properly prosecute a war against a ruthless, nationless, belligerent enemy. I think we forgot how.

And by the way, President Bush vetoed the use of federal funds for embryonic stem cell research, not the actual legality of the research. Do you know enough about that research to favor committing your federal tax dollars to support it? I sure don't. Have you been assured that there are sufficient moral and ethical protections of human life in embryonic versus adult stem cell research to support it with all Americans' federal tax dollars? I sure haven't. And I think you're being a little extreme yourself in saying that only the "social conservative extreme right wing" supported the decision. Its a lot more than that.

That's enough, don't drag me into these debates anymore. You'll just get me in trouble.

You're right, the bill has nothing to do with banning stem cell research of any kind. Its about using federal funds to fund the reseacrh. Spence can do research on embryos 24/7 if he so chooses. He just wont get any money from the feds.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Israel is teaching us how to properly prosecute a war against a ruthless, nationless, belligerent enemy. I think we forgot how.

So you're saying that pounding a budding democracy back 20 years, thereby destroying it's ability to grow and promoting the very despair that radical Islam feeds from...

...is the "proper" way to fight terrorisim

Dude, that's really, really wacked out

Do you know enough about that research to favor committing your federal tax dollars to support it?

In a heartbeat.

I also know that government funded scientific research has created tremendous breakthroughs in the past that have enriched the domestic economy and our quality of life.

The World is changing before our eyes and as a Nation we're stuck in the mud. Investment in science like stem cell research isn't just prudent, it's going to be critical to the survival of our economic leadership position in the global economy the first half of this century.

The competition is running faster than we are.

-spence

[likwid]

Originally Posted by JoeP

No, I'm not happy. Israel is teaching us how to properly prosecute a war against a ruthless, nationless, belligerent enemy. I think we forgot how.

You mean by killing civilians? Apparently they're doing a good job at that.

And I think we're trying to forget the times we did that.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by likwid

You mean by killing civilians? Apparently they're doing a good job at that.

And I think we're trying to forget the times we did that.

Why in the Hell are you not showing the same outrage against the groups who do by their own self admission target civilians as a routine ongoing process? You think they are aiming their rockets at Miltary targets in Israel? Dont say you are condemning Hezbollah because your one-sided posts in no way reflect that. When I say civilians I mean us. People like you, me and our families, Americans are there sworn enemies. Instead you adamantly condemn the country that is destroying the people who want us dead. And your point that Israel is targeting children is ludicrous. Maybe the safety of your family and friends are not as important to you as ours are to the rest of us. This maybe a complex overall issue but it really boils down to some simple premises. They want us dead and there is nothing you or I can do to stop them other than plain old basic self defense as in destroy those who wish us harm. Bearing guilt and self loathing aint gonna stop Terrorism (and thats what Hezbollah is Terrorists, with no quotation marks). I admit this maybe a selfish point of view but guess what, I dont care. The security of me and mine is far more important to me then the security of them and theirs.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Why in the Hell are you not showing the same outrage against the groups who do by their own self admission target civilians as a routine ongoing process? You think they are aiming their rockets at Miltary targets in Israel? Dont say you are condemning Hezbollah because your one-sided posts in no way reflect that. When I say civilians I mean us. People like you, me and our families, Americans are there sworn enemies. Instead you adamantly condemn the country that is destroying the people who want us dead. And your point that Israel is targeting children is ludicrous. Maybe the safety of your family and friends are not as important to you as ours are to the rest of us. This maybe a complex overall issue but it really boils down to some simple premises. They want us dead and there is nothing you or I can do to stop them other than plain old basic self defense as in destroy those who wish us harm. Bearing guilt and self loathing aint gonna stop Terrorism (and thats what Hezbollah is Terrorists, with no quotation marks). I admit this maybe a selfish point of view but guess what, I dont care. The security of me and mine is far more important to me then the security of them and theirs.

Well said, Likwid will never understand this however, for some reason he can't see the difference in Hezbalah targeting civilians only, and Isreal going after armed, murderious terroists. I dont get his thinking And yes, his recent posts suggest that he has some sympathy for Hezbalah and lots of rage towards Isreal. Maybe i'm wrong but thats what i'm seeing

[JoeP]

Spence,

We just see things alot differently - lets leave it at that & stick to fishing. I'm not going to debate this stuff here.

And Likwid, I've read some of your posts and I'm not even going to try.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Spence,

We just see things alot differently - lets leave it at that & stick to fishing. I'm not going to debate this stuff here.

And Likwid, I've read some of your posts and I'm not even going to try.

Likwid might be one of the 5% of Americans from the latest CNN poll that supports Hezbalah. How can 5% of Americans support a terroist group!?

I hope i'm wrong likwid, but i can only judge you by your posts, and your post seem to lean towards you having some strange sympathy for Hezbalah. Please tell me im wrong though.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by likwid

You mean by killing civilians? Apparently they're doing a good job at that.

And I think we're trying to forget the times we did that.

Where is your outrage at hezbalah for only targeting civilians? Thats all they go after, they dont go after anything of strategic military importance. All they do is attempt to murder innocent Isrealis. Isreals actions have sadly caused civilian deaths, but they are not the targets they are after. Isreal is going after Hezbalah, not civilians.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Where is your outrage at hezbalah for only targeting civilians? Thats all they go after, they dont go after anything of strategic military importance. All they do is attempt to murder innocent Isrealis. Isreals actions have sadly caused civilian deaths, but they are not the targets they are after. Isreal is going after Hezbalah, not civilians.

Skip...this above statement does`nt make any sense. You are saying Hezbollah never has military targets? Were the soldiers killed and kidnapped going to a costume ball ? How old are you Skip... if I may ask?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Skip...this above statement does`nt make any sense. You are saying Hezbollah never has military targets? Were the soldiers killed and kidnapped going to a costume ball ? How old are you Skip... if I may ask?

Hezbalah is a terroist organization that goes after mostly civilians, and yes, they will gladly go after all Isreali military forces if givin the chance. But most, if not all of thier targets the last week have been civilians only. Am i wrong? I think not.

They are firing random missles and they could care less where they hit. Children, Military, they dont care, as long as a dead Israeli is on the other side end of the explosion. Thats all they care about. And you know this is true.

[Skitterpop]

[quote=Skip N] But most, if not all of thier targets the last week have been civilians only. Am i wrong?

Answer: Yes you are very very wrong.



I think not. <<<< and this is why....study, LISTEN, and read.